Because he wouldn't be wasted there.
Ryan Sessegnon
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You said yourself he plays better further up the field. So by definition by playing him at the back you’re wasting him.
He’s great at LW. He’s good at LB. therefore wasting imo
Sorry maybe you can't read what I said:
Like you point out we've not won a title for a while - we're still one of the biggest clubs in the world, but that gap is obvious.
I never said we're not the biggest club in the country and I agreed we're one of the biggest in the world. But anyway it's not about how big our dicks are - we're going massively off subject the Sessegnon thread.
lol love it
I can read it but it makes no sense.
The top and bottom of it is the player would be delighted to move to United from Fulham.
Um, didn't we already buy England's best LB prospect once?
So buy him and loan him back to Fulham? Its the same thing. He is still staying there, improving, getting game time, gets an improved contract and in two years time he is ready to go straight into the first team here.
Because he just turned 18 last month. So when you're 17 you are not good enough to start for either Man City or Man United. So go on loan and improve. Its not like he is starting every game for Dortmund now is he?
If he wanted to be loaned he'd stay at City. The whole point is he doesn't want to be loaned. No, but he is training with them everyday and starting to get some regular time in a top senior side who own him and have his development in their best interest. Its quite clear being at Dortmund is a hell of a lot better than signing for a club who is just going to send you on loan for a couple of years.
It's a no-brainer with this kid. Needs to be signed and loaned back until he ready to play for us.
I was at the Dortmund last home game , very impressed with sancho, looks a serious prospect. He looks like a younger version of Sane.
If Fulham go up he isn't going anywhere and probably not for a while. I get the impression he really loves the club. Been there 10 years, his brother plays for Fulham. You can see it after every game.
Here are quotes:
“First of all, I love the game," he says. "Especially with Fulham, I see the club that’s given me the chance to play in the Premier League, I give it all every game, every training session, I just want my team to play in the Premier League.
“When I made my debut they had a lot of confidence in me already but they really stepped it up another gear this year.
“I think it’s good to surround yourself with good people. I have a small circle so I’m not easily influenced by people from outside. People around me keep me humble and private but I feel like I’ve always been like that.”
And if Fulham don’t make the Premier League this season, what’s the plan?
“I dunno really, to be honest. I’m not too sure. I’m really focused on Fulham at the moment. Championship, Premier League… I want to get us into the Premier League. I just want to keep improving.”
Here are quotes:
“First of all, I love the game," he says. "Especially with Fulham, I see the club that’s given me the chance to play in the Premier League, I give it all every game, every training session, I just want my team to play in the Premier League.
“When I made my debut they had a lot of confidence in me already but they really stepped it up another gear this year.
“I think it’s good to surround yourself with good people. I have a small circle so I’m not easily influenced by people from outside. People around me keep me humble and private but I feel like I’ve always been like that.”
And if Fulham don’t make the Premier League this season, what’s the plan?
“I dunno really, to be honest. I’m not too sure. I’m really focused on Fulham at the moment. Championship, Premier League… I want to get us into the Premier League. I just want to keep improving.”
Good to read that he is down to earth. Keep playing for Fulham, and your big contract will come when you are ready for the next step. Odegaard joined the biggest club in the world when he was 16, and then went on loan. Where is he now?
He could also play as a wing back in a 3-5-2. I like him or Tierney.
Disagree that he'd be wasted at full back just because he's shown some cracking form in the Championship as of late at LW.
I mean, if a young Roberto Carlos, Evra or Marcelo were playing in the Championship for side like Fulham, they'd probably also be played as left wingers due to having so much more quality than the rest around them. Stick them at the top of the game in the Champions League though and maybe, just maybe left back will be more suited.
Time will tell with Sessegnon, but it's certainly not as straight forward as devilish is making out. Right now I don't see the skillset that could make him a Sane, Sanchez, Salah, Hazard, Bale, Robben at a top club, but I do see the Evra in him.
I mean, if a young Roberto Carlos, Evra or Marcelo were playing in the Championship for side like Fulham, they'd probably also be played as left wingers due to having so much more quality than the rest around them. Stick them at the top of the game in the Champions League though and maybe, just maybe left back will be more suited.
Time will tell with Sessegnon, but it's certainly not as straight forward as devilish is making out. Right now I don't see the skillset that could make him a Sane, Sanchez, Salah, Hazard, Bale, Robben at a top club, but I do see the Evra in him.
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I’d like to see how he develops as a Right Winger, almost like Bale where he cuts in.
Once you as a player start playing in LW, scoring goals and giving assists, it is highly unlikely he will go back to left back, unless he is approaching the end of his career. I bet he looks up to Bale rather than Young at this stage of his career, also you make more money as an attacker in this sport as well.
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I am always curious the logic about buying a very young player with potential for 30m, paid his big wage(for his age), then loan him out, hope he develops and ready for 1st team in a few years(See Kdb , Salah, Odegaard or even Luke Shaw and Martial). When he is ready(big if), then probably is about time to renew his contract again and with big signing fee, othwise he may run down his contract and leave for free (see Pogba).
Let's say it costs 30M to buy Ryan Sessegan, plus the signing fee, wages for his loan period for 3 years, the contract renewal fee when he is ready, also the risk that he may not renew, and he may not be that good after all. Why not buy a LB that is ready to play right now, like Alex Sandro, who is at his prime, for 50 or 60M? It doesn't make any sense to me to buy Sessegan for the future, when both Young and Valencia are already 33 yr old.
It makes no sense to me to buy young prospect with potential for huge fee(Mbappe doesnt count, he is already a proven player in CL and ligue 1). Liverpool bought Mane, Salah, Firmino for under 35M each.
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I am always curious the logic about buying a very young player with potential for 30m, paid his big wage(for his age), then loan him out, hope he develops and ready for 1st team in a few years(See Kdb , Salah, Odegaard or even Luke Shaw and Martial). When he is ready(big if), then probably is about time to renew his contract again and with big signing fee, othwise he may run down his contract and leave for free (see Pogba).
Let's say it costs 30M to buy Ryan Sessegan, plus the signing fee, wages for his loan period for 3 years, the contract renewal fee when he is ready, also the risk that he may not renew, and he may not be that good after all. Why not buy a LB that is ready to play right now, like Alex Sandro, who is at his prime, for 50 or 60M? It doesn't make any sense to me to buy Sessegan for the future, when both Young and Valencia are already 33 yr old.
It makes no sense to me to buy young prospect with potential for huge fee(Mbappe doesnt count, he is already a proven player in CL and ligue 1). Liverpool bought Mane, Salah, Firmino for under 35M each.
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They aren’t selling him for cheap they don’t need the money and we don’t need a left winger (wasted at LB) so this deal is a non starter imo.
I can't see him ever being good enough to be a LW at a big club looking to win trophies. The Bale comparisons are purely down to age and the fact he plays on the left. Sessegnon has never once shown he has a magical left foot like Bale and that incredible pace.
There is nothing like this in Sessegnons career highlights:
In those clips Bale was 17 and 18. He was already showing he could score from anywhere and had the pace to destroy teams. Sessegnon is showing nothing like that. He's proven to have a great ability to make the right runs to get in good goal scoring positions. That can only take you so far. All the great attacking players demonstrate great skills from a young age, but often need to physically adapt to playing senior football. Sessegnon has already shown he's physically ready and has the right brain. But he's not going to suddenly develop outstanding skill. He's not close to the potential of Sancho and Foden etc. He may have the better career than them, but he doesn't have their technical ability to work with. Maybe he could become a great LB or very good LW, but he's never going to be a key attacking player for a really big side as the ability just isn't there. In my opinion he's just a case that highlights how poor scouting is even at the highest level. Getting excited about the potential of Sessegnon is like getting excited by Breel Embolo, Micah Richards or Reece Oxford etc. It's so common with young players to be doing great at a very young age, that people assume they have tremendous potential based on what they've achieved when still so young. But you've got to look at the skill set they have and decided if there is sufficient there to really develop into a world class talent. I know the football world is crazy for Sessegnon at the moment, but where are the clips showing outstanding passing, brilliant crossing, great set pieces delivery or FK's in the top corner, exciting dribbling or exquisite touch etc? I'm not saying he wont be a quality Prem player or couldn't develop into CL quality LB. But forget these Bale comparisons as it's just not going to happen.
There is nothing like this in Sessegnons career highlights:
In those clips Bale was 17 and 18. He was already showing he could score from anywhere and had the pace to destroy teams. Sessegnon is showing nothing like that. He's proven to have a great ability to make the right runs to get in good goal scoring positions. That can only take you so far. All the great attacking players demonstrate great skills from a young age, but often need to physically adapt to playing senior football. Sessegnon has already shown he's physically ready and has the right brain. But he's not going to suddenly develop outstanding skill. He's not close to the potential of Sancho and Foden etc. He may have the better career than them, but he doesn't have their technical ability to work with. Maybe he could become a great LB or very good LW, but he's never going to be a key attacking player for a really big side as the ability just isn't there. In my opinion he's just a case that highlights how poor scouting is even at the highest level. Getting excited about the potential of Sessegnon is like getting excited by Breel Embolo, Micah Richards or Reece Oxford etc. It's so common with young players to be doing great at a very young age, that people assume they have tremendous potential based on what they've achieved when still so young. But you've got to look at the skill set they have and decided if there is sufficient there to really develop into a world class talent. I know the football world is crazy for Sessegnon at the moment, but where are the clips showing outstanding passing, brilliant crossing, great set pieces delivery or FK's in the top corner, exciting dribbling or exquisite touch etc? I'm not saying he wont be a quality Prem player or couldn't develop into CL quality LB. But forget these Bale comparisons as it's just not going to happen.
Been thinking this for a while now myself. He could be WB but he’s rarely asked to do this.
I would rather see us promote Chong to our left or coming in from the right wing. Sessegnon’s shown some good goal poaching instincts though
Havent seen alot of him, is he a good defender?
I think his hat trick against Sheffield Utd showed a level similar to what you show there. Scored with both feet. He isn’t explosive like Bale though and never will be. He’s a strange player, I think he would be brilliant for Pep, just getting on the end of moves and those low crosses into the box. He isn’t as technically gifted as the others you mentioned but he does link up very well for Fulham in their slick passing moves. I don’t think we have seen him take free kicks yet either so not sure we can judge him on that.
I think we should sign him and loan him back to Fulham, he's developing nicely there they have a good manager and there club seems to be on the right track. I don't trust him to be our starting left back next season so why sign him only for him to sit on the bench and he has far too much competition to be getting game time on the left wing which is his best position if you go on current form.
His talent is unquestionable. We should secure his signing first then see what to do with him instead of letting him slip to another top club.
If it's between him and Tierney, I'd rather Tierney.
People saying a 17 year old scoring 20 goals a season won’t be world class.
He’s 17 ffs.
He’s 17 ffs.
I hope we sign him as he's young, English (homegrown) and talented. If i was him i'd stay at Fulham for at least another season then look to move to a club that will offer him regular football.
Crazy isnt it
Buy him and loan him back, is the most logical thing to do, and we're regret not doing it.
I know, judging a players potential based on actually watching him play football is crazy. Much better to judge potential based on his stats.
He isn't like Bale and never will be as he's a completely different type of player. But let's stop acting like the only way to be a top player is to be a speedy dribbler. Having a great positional and awareness ability to make runs and get into goal scoring positions doesn't only get you so far. It gets you to the top.
Such as?
What more could the kid do at this point.
Watch half our squad at 17 and compare them to him at 17.
Nothing to do with stats. He’s young and performing very well. Most top players haven’t even made their debut by his age.
How much of him have you actually watched?
He looks a player of enormous potential but if he's to play at the highest level in the PL,he needs careful and gradual exposure at that level and he needs senior players to help him. Personally, I think he'd be better off in the Bundeslige playing for a club like Dortmund
Yes, but of those that do, many don't go on to be world class or have the careers predicted of them when they are 17. If you at what separates those kinds of players it's nearly always those who were showing they technically something special (such as Rooney and Bale etc) and those that are physically ready, but not anything remarkable technically (Richards and Rodwell.)
Undoubtedly going to be great but not sure if we have space for a LW. Playing him LB would be a waste.
It absolutely wouldn’t be a waste. That’s exactly like saying Evra, Roberto Carlos, Marcelo, Dani Alves were ”wasted” at full back.
A top top full back, capable of being WC at some point should be playing further up the field if they are in the second tier of football.
Yes I agree. He already played as LB so he will have some idea as how to defend but most importantly defending can be learnt much easier than attacking, absolulte tragedy to see, luckily it is coming to an end now, players like Darmian even having a chance to play there, no pace, no dribbling no finall ball, no nothing. Having finally functional attacking fullbacks could elevate the game a bit for us.
I have seen him about 10 times this season as I watch Fulham a lot because of both him and Johansen. He is a big talent, and he will probably be a great player. But - he is not close to playing regularly for a team challenging for the P.L-title. Fulham have a lot of really good players - but he is not at the level of Mitrovic, Johansen, Cairney...yet. He still drifts in and out of games for too long - and he makes strange tactical decisions. So - in my opinion, he should stay with Fulham at least one more season. But I would love if we signed him and loaned him back to Fulham for 12 months. I do however feel he will go to Spurs to stay closer to home.
But Gareth Bale would.
The difference here is Sessegnon has scored 15 goals this season and he's 17 years old. He's shown his attacking ambitions and goal scoring capabilities. That's what distinguishes him from the other fullbacks who despite being technically gifted, are not goal scorers.
Despite taking his goals well, I can't help but think that the video is quite underwhelming.
His simple passes and distribution of the ball looked really iffy.