Good shout. Maybe Robben, but he's a driven pro regardless of age.
Just saying it's not super common.
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Just saying it's not super common.
Joe Cole maybe...
Yeah, but when he does decide to try to develop a certain young player he makes sure to do it well, he just prefers the certainty of proven sucess
Sessegnon will need the manager who is in charge of his next career move to believe in him and boost his confidence if he is to suceed at the highest level. I mean, can't see him staying at Fulham beyond the 2019-20 season at most and got the feeling he will leave in the summer of 2019 anyway.
It all depends on our transfer budget if we have 300mil to spend than buy everyone I guess.
Sessegon is not a player who can make us better in the near future so he's a project player, are we in a position as a club to spend big on these types of players ? If your pretty content with the squad then fair enough pay the big bucks for the unproven talents and hopefully they develop and can be phased into the team as other players drop off, if you think we need proven quality to address certain areas of the pitch then maybe we should pass on him for now since you need a lot of money to sign proven quality.
Spurs don't have the same ambitions as we do and end of the day there in a lot better position to take a risk and develop a young player as top 4 is there goal so if they loose a few points developing players they'll take it on the chin. When your ambition is to win PL and CL titles you can't afford to loose any points. There's a reason the big club usually sign these talents after the age of 20 or when they've shown top level consistent performances at the top level.
What bollocks.
If Guardiola wants to play the 3 in defence long term he could be an option for them. Probably a much better back up to Mendy than Delph going forward.
what you think is Bollocks about his statement?
The assumption that Spurs - in terms of ambition - don't want to win the league title or the CL every bit as much as United.
Spurs don't have less ambition than United.
Spurs aim to establish themselves as one of Europe's elite clubs. This is what the new training centre and new stadium complex are all about - and hence the getting-on-for one billion pounds invested in these two things.
He should have said “realistic ambitions”.
He’s going to cost a fortune, Fulham don’t need the money. Too much money for a prospect who hasn’t played PL football.
Try winning something for a change.
They might WANT to win it as much as United but the certainly aint showing the same ambition to win it.
think when you look at the transfers and the way the Alderweirald situation has been handled i would say there ambition is alot further back then United, personally think if spurs had played Alderweirald instead of Sanchez they would have alot more points, looking back at the transfers from the last 2 season at spurs, have they ever really signed a player to take them to the next level? infact apart from Wanyama i dont think any them has improved the starting 11 at Spurs, which is why people will questions spurs ambition to win the league, infact when you look at the spurs side this season with Trippier, Davies and Sanchez in the back 4 majority of the time then it looks a lot weaker for me.
The training complex and Stadium does look fantastic to be fair going forward, but it might be a step backwards before they go forward if they cant match players wages and buy top players in while they are doing this,
This.
Fulham is going to ask an unrealistic price tag for this young player. I would accept that kind of deal in future fees, like:
Transfer fee: 15M pounds
After 30 games: 10M Pounds
Gets called-up to England NT: 10M pounds
etc
this would be a realistic deal and would benefit both clubs IF the player reaches his potential.
this would only really benefit Fulham if he reached his potential, as it stands with Martial sure he i read he has clauses if he wins the Balon dor but that dont look like happening at United, prob other clauses they will miss out on as well if he leaves, so if your Fulham they should be looking for as much up front as possible.
If they try to take that path, we should avoid that kind of risky deals. One thing is give 100M for an international player like Pogba. Exaggerated, but for nowadays market values it worth the gamble. Things are not working graet for both Pogba and Man Utd, but he was the best option at the market at the time we bought him.
Same can't be said about Ryan. I prefer to give the same ammount for an international left back than for potential, unless they accept a clauses deal.
The risk is always high with young players, and even more with players who dont even have EPL experience.
Looked very good again tonight and has shown an unreal consistency throughout the entire season for someone that’s 17 years old, we’d be foolish not to sign him as short term and long term he’s a great signing.
If Fulham go up, then 1 more season at Fulham would be best for him. (Could sign and loan him back)
I hope Southgate doesn’t take him to the World Cup.
He needs a break. Read he’s played 50 games and that’s a lot for someone who is turning 18 on Friday.
He needs a break. Read he’s played 50 games and that’s a lot for someone who is turning 18 on Friday.
Well based on the one half I watched against Derby tonight, I hope we don't sign him. He looked like a worse version of Rashford on the left, playing as a LW who likes to get onto through balls. We've already got a million players for that position as it is.
Was hoping to see some dribbling ability, but he seems to prefer passing it as soon as he can. I forget he's only 17 though, he should stick around at Fulham for a couple of seasons as there's no way he gets games for a team like us or even Tottenham.
Was hoping to see some dribbling ability, but he seems to prefer passing it as soon as he can. I forget he's only 17 though, he should stick around at Fulham for a couple of seasons as there's no way he gets games for a team like us or even Tottenham.
Yep the I ay we play with slow build up won’t suit anyone looking to run behind unless we change our style. We already have people to run behind like rashford and lukaku both who have been starved of the type of service they require to be most effective which has led to criticism
We have spent big on salaries and/or wages for a lot of foreign players the last few years that havent made us better at the wrong age being old too in a lot of cases, why not spend it on a young English player with huge potential. People keep saying we need to spend on proven talent Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Miki, DiMaria all proven players at there clubs doesnt mean they will prove it for us.
In my opinion we need quite a few signings and a few sold on but we bemoan losing out on the Bales, Dele Alis, Modric as well for example who was pretty young and unproven when signed of this world with a lot of promise and going by your analogy we should have not signed Ronaldo to replace Beckham and what about Fergies fledgings to replace Hughes, Kanchelskis, Ince?
I know its a different age and different situations as the squad is nothing like those ones quality wise in numbers. Not saying we should or shouldnt sign him and for every Ronaldo there is a Depay but for example if Martial goes for £60m is it that bad replacing him with Sessegnon who at 17 could already prove competition at both left back and left wing....lets face it Martial has done no more than provide competition. Why cant he make us better already when his competition is an ageing winger playing at left back, a player not being used at left back, a world class left winger currently not nperforming and two young players not showing any consistency at all at left wing.
Would be good to add another English player and lets be honest, not many good enough around worth signing.
If you were Ryan Sessegon (spelling) would you really want to go united with your current manager in charge?
You just really need to look at Rashford and Martial as examples of how he won't bring on those talented youth players.
Yes because it is the biggest club in the country and one of the worlds biggest clubs, not to forget one of the biggest payers.....but I totally get your point yes, I am biased and if I was seeing the football we have played this season I wouldnt be excited about being part of that let alone the youth aspect.
There seems to be some misunderstanding between not improving vs not given chance. Look at the age of some of our players and then look at the minutes they have. They're in healthy position and at a club with ambition. Playing all the time but having no direction to achieve is not always the way. Look how those promise Arsenal players a decade back ended up? Many ended up as fringe players while the best eventually outgrow and move. If you're the best (mentality included), you can still thrive even in tough environment during your development phase. Joining the development ground clubs ain't exactly the only route to develop. It's the safer route if you're of sure of yourself. You get exposure to high level (CL, top 4 race...) but not really being pushed as hard to win it (to be the best). Some players just ain't born to be the best. Happy to be forever WIP.
So back to Sessegnon. It's up to him to trust his ability and whether he has the mentality to take the challenge and work it out. To say X, Y... is not good for develop is all but excuse. There should be an end goal for development. Forever WIP is all but pointless.
Seriously? Must be press.
Or you can look At Lingard and McTominay as examples of how Jose will play youngsters if he believes that they’re ready.
It’s less to do with their talent; but their attitude and performance. Even Sir Alex believed in slowly bringing in younger players unless they were unbelievably talented from the start like Ronaldo, Giggs and Rooney were.
Lingard is 25 years old, doesn’t really count as a youngster anymore, does he?
I've not seen huge amounts of him but I think it's time we bought a promising youngster at the outset rather than let him go to (say) Spurs or everton and then buy him at three or four times the price 2-3 years from now (like we did with carrick). he's certainly a better prospect that zaha was
Was 23 when Mourinho joined though. Didn’t just start playing him last week.
If Fulham get promoted this really is a moot point, he isn't going anywhere.
“I have been at the club since the age of eight. It has been a dream to play in the Premier League with Fulham."
I believe him.
“I have been at the club since the age of eight. It has been a dream to play in the Premier League with Fulham."
I believe him.
Not for me I think Zaha has/had much more about him. Sessegnon is a good prospect but I’d rather have Tierney secured.
I find this rather funny. Here in Brazil we don't really consider a 23 year old player "youth", rather much an adult who's expected to perform well within his abilities, and who's about 3 years from reaching his full potential. If he's good, he's expected to be a regular starter on his team.
To add more, here the manager is expected to give a lot of opportunities to young stars on the rise, instead of giving out crumbs of irregular starts and sub appearances, and being praised for doing so as if he was some kind of benevolent leader for allowing the "kid" to play.
Maybe you should consider there's a chance the reason why English prospects flop so often is because you treat them as teenagers until their hair starts to gray.
Maybe but then I imagine it’s easier to play in the Brazilian league than the EPL. It’s all relative in the end.
He will make a good fullback/wingback in the future, but he doesn't look tricky enough to be a winger in the premier league yet.
Will be interesting to see how he does if Fulham get promoted.
Will be interesting to see how he does if Fulham get promoted.
What @FlawlessThaw said and Brazillian players overall especially the flair ones, peak & decline sooner from the European football point of view.
the reason you start them so young is to get them noticed and shipped off to Europe to make some money off them.
Look again. This is always how we did things, way before the transfer flood to foreign countries begun. Not to mention in today's market a Brazilian player doesn't need to play in the domestic league to make a name for themselves and get a transfer abroad. Ederson is a fine example, most Brazilians, myself included, didn't even know he existed until Man. City bought him.
Sorry to say, but it seems you don't have enough knowledge of Brazilian domestic football to have an educated opinion on the subject.
It comes down to fans expectations, just shooting for top four finishes are not really considered acceptable at United and the fans want more out of the team. The belief is we should be challenging for the title and CL, the cups just an added bonus if we pick one up.
For Spurs the fans are quite content with a top four finish and the prospect of CL football at the moment. And a cup win would be absolutely amazing to pick up.
Spurs have a pretty balanced net spend but we have laid out a lot of money and with that expenditure comes expectations. What is considered acceptable from the fan base is vastly different between the two clubs. Like it or not United are a bigger club than Spurs.
Just buy and loan back. Shouldn't miss out on him to Tottenham like we did with Bale.
That's really interesting about Ederson. I wonder how City caught wind of the guy, as he looks really great. Very surprised he wasn't a big deal in Brazil before going to City.
Very decent bit of scouting there.
That was the same before the 'transfer flood' began in England, too. Those of us who have knowledge of this league will know that. It's what has happened in the last 20 or so years that's relevant. Money and demand is what has shaped how the EPL operates now.
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