Ryan Sessegnon

StonedhamsterZA said:
That's really interesting about Ederson. I wonder how City caught wind of the guy, as he looks really great. Very surprised he wasn't a big deal in Brazil before going to City.

Very decent bit of scouting there.
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The reason most Brazilians didn't know him is because he left Brazil for Portugal aged 15.

He was Benfica's first choice keeper only since last season so didn't really break through until age 22 but that is where City saw him. He won the title with Benfica that year. Lindelof also played in that side.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The reason most Brazilians didn't know him is because he left Brazil for Portugal aged 15.

He was Benfica's first choice keeper only since last season so didn't really break through until age 22 but that is where City saw him. He won the title with Benfica that year. Lindelof also played in that side.
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Linde-who? Thanks for clearing that up man. Wasn't really sure where he came from.
 
RichMet said:
If you were Ryan Sessegon (spelling) would you really want to go united with your current manager in charge?

You just really need to look at Rashford and Martial as examples of how he won't bring on those talented youth players.
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I'd probably be trying to go to Spurs if Rose leaves, with only Davies to beat out. Or maybe a step down to Everton since Baines turns 34 halfway through next season. We're a good option if Shaw goes though and Sessegnon is our only LB signing, no matter who the manager is, because at that point it's just Young at LB and he's not getting any younger.
 
Le Red said:
Look again. This is always how we did things, way before the transfer flood to foreign countries begun. Not to mention in today's market a Brazilian player doesn't need to play in the domestic league to make a name for themselves and get a transfer abroad. Ederson is a fine example, most Brazilians, myself included, didn't even know he existed until Man. City bought him.
Sorry to say, but it seems you don't have enough knowledge of Brazilian domestic football to have an educated opinion on the subject.
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For someone who doesn't know about Brazilian football, I knew who Ederson was and where he came from before he signed for City.
 
poleglass red said:
For someone who doesn't know about Brazilian football, I knew who Ederson was and where he came from before he signed for City.
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Ederson went to Benfica when he was only 16. If that makes me guilty about something, is of not knowing about Portuguese football. There are thousands of Brazilian players abroad, so it's kinda impossible to track them all, and I don't see how it makes me less aware of how football works in my country.

I'll throw my two pence ref. the Sessegnon discussion.
Even though I haven't seen enough of him, it seems clear that this guy is a very modern fullback in the mould of Marcelo. Early stats are very promising and he's getting a fair share of first team football. Frankly, I don't see any big name signing in that position so I'm completely favourable if the club decides to go for Sessegnon. I think he'd see a lot of action and develop quickly.

Since I named Marcelo, it's only fair to note that Madrid's transfer policy in the past ten years or so has been completely based in FOMO (fear of missing out). They see an insteresting prospect, they buy it. If they flop, sell. If they thrive, great. Trial and error may be costly but it has proven to be very rewarding for them. We have enough money to try and get the best of the best among the young players, so I don't see how a (perhaps) overpriced tag should scare us from securing such an interesting player, in a position where we are in dire need.
 
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I think it's very unlikely a player who's scored 15 goals in the league will be moving back into defense any time soon. It will be a useful option to have for whichever team he ends up at, if the situation calls for it - if he plays at left back with any more regularity than that I will be surprised.
 
soap said:
I think it's very unlikely a player who's scored 15 goals in the league will be moving back into defense any time soon. It will be a useful option to have for whichever team he ends up at, if the situation calls for it - if he plays at left back with any more regularity than that I will be surprised.
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Watched the game against Derby yesterday and he really didn't do much apart from the goal. The goal was well taken and i get the feeling his strongest feat is his composure in the box.
 
Lawman said:
Not for me I think Zaha has/had much more about him. Sessegnon is a good prospect but I’d rather have Tierney secured.
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not seen more than about five mins of tierney but you can look great in scotland (especially celtic) and not be!
 
I think he's probably viewed as a winger rather than fullback nowadays - but he looks a fantastic player - love him at Liverpool but I suspect he'll stay in London.
 
I'm not convinced Jose is after a kid. Not with the way he treats the young players already at the club. Rashfords body language in the cup final told its own story. He obviously pays lip service to youth development and would prefer to not have to do it at all. He clearly wants players who've already proved themselves elsewhere. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence for it now both at Chelsea and here. I don't see how from mourinhos viewpoint sessegnon can possibly have proved himself enough for his liking playing for Fulham in the championship.
 
mitchmouse said:
not seen more than about five mins of tierney but you can look great in scotland (especially celtic) and not be!
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There have been some good players that have moved south though as well. Van dyke, wanyama off the top of my head.
 
No chance we sign him while Mourinho is in charge. Hate to say it but he shouldn't come here for his own sake.
 
We don’t really need Sessegnon right now, I think we need more experience, but he is clearly a bright talent.

Ideally, we’d sign him to capture his signature, and then loan him back to Fulham for a year or two.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
I'm not convinced Jose is after a kid. Not with the way he treats the young players already at the club. Rashfords body language in the cup final told its own story. He obviously pays lip service to youth development and would prefer to not have to do it at all. He clearly wants players who've already proved themselves elsewhere. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence for it now both at Chelsea and here. I don't see how from mourinhos viewpoint sessegnon can possibly have proved himself enough for his liking playing for Fulham in the championship.
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Jose would treat a young signing of his own very differently.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
I'm not convinced Jose is after a kid. Not with the way he treats the young players already at the club. Rashfords body language in the cup final told its own story. He obviously pays lip service to youth development and would prefer to not have to do it at all. He clearly wants players who've already proved themselves elsewhere. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence for it now both at Chelsea and here. I don't see how from mourinhos viewpoint sessegnon can possibly have proved himself enough for his liking playing for Fulham in the championship.
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For nearly two thirds of the season Rashford was the only outfield player in our squad to play in every premier league game
 
Mainoldo said:
Still had his worse season every.
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How? More goals and assists than last year. Overall play better than last year. He had a poor couple of months at the end of the season, but that doesn't write off the first half of the season.
 
Mainoldo said:
Still had his worse season every.
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No he hasn't. He has easily been better this season than last. He has got more goals and assists in less game time. The first 4 months or so of the season are the greatest form he has ever had. Stop acting like his recent poor months have been the whole season.
 
limerickcitykid said:
No he hasn't. He has easily been better this season than last. He has got more goals and assists in less game time. The first 4 months or so of the season are the greatest form he has ever had. Stop acting like his recent poor months have been the whole season.
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United fans must have the shortest memory of a collective group I've ever seen. One bad performance seems to take precedence over all prior appearances. People just create their own narratives based off nothing and assume they're fact.
 
Nick7 said:
United fans must have the shortest memory of a collective group I've ever seen. One bad performance seems to take precedence over all prior appearances. People just create their own narratives based off nothing and assume they're fact.
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Aye, it's ridiculous at times. The lad has clearly been out of form and has been visibly frustrated which is just making his form worse. He is forcing things and being too selfish at times. But he is just a 20 year old in a downpatch. Obviously poor form means he is actually just average though and isn't talented. If his season was reversed he'd probably be called the best younger player in the league or other such hyperbole. He had some amazing form and then some poor and still got 20+ goals and assists this season which is very good. You're only as good as your last game to some though.
 
Rashford himself has said he’s had a poor season. I don’t get why people on here are going against his own flipping judgement of his season, get a grip. I didn’t say he was rubbish but as a player he has not kicked on like he expects to and what I would except, dispite his better goal return which should be highter considering he’s had more minutes but stop looking at the stats. We are United fans we see him every week.
 
Oldyella said:
Jose would treat a young signing of his own very differently.
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That's because Jose would not buy strikers like Martial or Rashford to play centrally upfront. They are better when the ball is on the floor, are better at interlinking short passes, can attempt to take on their man, can run in behind after a pass, have good understanding of position, possession etc.

Jose can only utilise strikers with physicality because he requires his team have a strong central spine & everything playing around it.

Why Martial & Rashford are struggling are not some random personal reasons - it's because instead of Jose building a team around what he has at his disposal, he has bought himself & his tactics to Manchester United & everything else & everyone else will struggle if they do not fit in his plan.

Rashford is not his type of player & if he wasn't from Manchester he would be sold this year. The only way he can even attempt to utilize these players is to have them as the 'player that cuts in on the left' again a staple of his traditional tactics. Rashford has had only 6 months max as a ST with tactics that suited him & that was under LVG - where he was relatively clinical for a young player.

Even Lukaku could be better but Jose is insistent on trying to turn him in to Drogba mk 2 rather than giving him a partner & helping him get in behind.

Next season is no different 4231 with one winger cutting in and the other winger holding their width. Rashford & martial will struggle.
 
Mainoldo said:
Rashford himself has said he’s had a poor season. I don’t get why people on here are going against his own flipping judgement of his season, get a grip. I didn’t say he was rubbish but as a player he has not kicked on like he expects to and what I would except, dispite his better goal return which should be highter considering he’s had more minutes but stop looking at the stats. We are United fans we see him every week.
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Poor season =/= worst ever season. Sorry to break that to you.
 
Pretty poor over the season imo. Could have had 6-7 more assists easily, if not for him being very selfish. Has shown some absolute class in some moments as well. It’s normal for a player his age, bearing in mind that he’s not a Ronaldo/Messi/Rooney level talent. Next season will be telling of his actually level I think.
 
Best decision. Lets see how he does in the PL, will be nice to see him more regulalry against top opposition
 
izec said:
Best decision. Lets see how he does in the PL, will be nice to see him more regulalry against top opposition
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Fee could raise astronomically for a good PL season, though.

He may also then be on radars he currently isn't, and with a choice of elite clubs to pick from, might very well choose a different path.

Risky business.
 
Bump...

I haven't paid attention, how's he done this year?

Worth a cheeky bid?

Now that Fulham are Championship bound he's surely likely to leave?
 
Eyepopper said:
Bump...

I haven't paid attention, how's he done this year?

Worth a cheeky bid?

Now that Fulham are Championship bound he's surely likely to leave?
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No needs to go to a mid table team.

Fulham defence around him is terrible and the team in general they changed it too much. But he’s not ready for a big move. They moved him to LW but he didn’t do much.
 
Has a ways to go, worth a punt for cheaper than was suggested before. Might come good developing from a squad player
 
He should start being developed at LB. I know his defensive ability isn't good thus far, but he's only 18. There is massive upside at LB precisely because he's pretty good as an attacker at age 18. Still a lot of developing to do.
 
Ross Barley has been written off so many times on here as an overhyped donkey, but after a good few years of looking pretty underwhelming, he's starting to look half decent. I think with Sessegnon he needs a few more years before he'll be a top winger. Defo worth purchasing now for anyone who has a spare £40 million to buy him.
 
He's had a relatively good season given his age and club frankly. He should now realise however that he needs to move on to a midtable club.
 
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