I don't know if he could be a success at United. There is no current manager that I KNOW would be a success at the club. But there are a few that I would have more belief in, like Carlo Ancelotti, Pep, Klopp, Jose, for example and those are the types that I would like to see manage United. Had LVG come in and turned the club around like we all hoped he would, I would be much more open to Giggs taking over. As it is, I'd like to see him go off and be a massive success elsewhere and then offer him the job, but unless and until he does that I don't want to see him manage the club.
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Yep.
I just hope Giggs isn't feeding these stories himself, because they are making him look terrible.
Zidane joined Mourinho's staff in 2010, had to wait three years just to become an assistant, and went from that to Madrid's B team to gain experience. By comparison Giggs seems to want big jobs handed to him, based on nothing more than his belief he is ready. He may be a legend but, if Sir Bobby had to go to Preston to get coaching experience, why should Giggsy expect special treatment?
Would consider Bruce depending on how h does this upcoming season with Hull. As it is, the only former United player that I think MIGHT succeed at United is Hughes, and he would be far down on my list of possible hires at the moment.
That article:
His departure after 29 years with the Old Trafford club would be a blow
Fans will be cheered by the news that Mourinho is to announce the arrival of a big-name striker this week and Marcus Rashford has signed a new deal. But Giggs' departure after 29 years would be a major disappointment for them.
That article is either being written
- from a positive angle because its off the back of a briefing from Giggs.
- without any research into how the majority of United fans actually feel about Giggs the coach.
- or just your usual, United are doing something wrong, negative angle.
A big blow for giggs
Could he be any more of a selfish prick? Like he clearly just wants the job handed to him without actually earning it.
Rob Draper needs to read this forum like Samuel Luckhurst from the Manchester Evening News does then he'll be better equipped to write about what United fans apparently want or don't want.
Anyone who would want Keane as manager has no clue.
I disagree, obviously. However, in light of recent events, it's a moot point.
At some point the fans have to close their mouths and stop having this garbage continually funneled into it. You've got to question the logic of the supporters that are claiming that Ryan Giggs is feeding a paper that has been viciously and relentlessly defaming his personal life since 2011.
They know the fans will gobble all of this trash up, so they keep printing it.
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Or he himself could come up with something that clears alot of shit.
It's hard not to be cynical at him when he refuses to clear his own shits.
"im happy at united, i support the manager" how fecking hard is that?
All of the papers discussed his private life. You've got to be very naive if you think he's not got specific journalists he likes to brief.
Rob Draper has long been a mouth peice for Giggs and the Class of 92:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ult-season-Salford-City-secure-promotion.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ss-92-non-League-Salford-proper-football.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-s-giving-game-s-heartland-learned-trade.html
I don't read British journalism, so it may well be naive.
Well perhaps don't have such a strong opinion on posters opinions who are a little more informed on the subject.
Completely ignoring the politics behind the scenes, it would appear that there is a really obvious role for Giggs. Mourinho always has a "club man" in his coaching team and having been part of the set up for 3 years and a playing legend Giggs seems perfect for the role. What he does off the pitch doesn't bother me at all.
As a long term successor, he also seems a serious option under the right conditions. If he had 3 years on the coaching staff when Fergie retired I think he would have got the job. When Fergie retired the greatest strength of the club was a winning mentality right throughout the club based on 20+ years of success. A few months into the Moyes era it had gone. Having continuity in the coaching set up may have had very different results.
The LVG/Giggs plan was clearly to get United back to those levels so Giggs could continue the momentum long term. The plan failed and there was no way Giggs could take over where United are now. There is a lot of talk that Giggs would undermine the manager but in my opinion his only chance to get the role is if his predecessor is successful.
Faria and Louro shouldn't prevent Giggs from having a significant role in the same way as Stuivenberg and Hoek didn't under LVG. I also think that Giggs could learn far more from Mourinho than he could from LVG and Moyes.
What could prevent him having a key role is the sense that he has been wronged by not being given the manager's job after being so gracious to be part of the coaching staff over the past 3 years. I hope that is a media driven agenda and not Giggs' opinion. A manager needs a team he can trust so if he feels that way he can have no place on the coaching staff. If he sees it as a huge honour to have such a significant role and a long term opportunity to develop into an elite manager at United I would be delighted for him to stay.
As a long term successor, he also seems a serious option under the right conditions. If he had 3 years on the coaching staff when Fergie retired I think he would have got the job. When Fergie retired the greatest strength of the club was a winning mentality right throughout the club based on 20+ years of success. A few months into the Moyes era it had gone. Having continuity in the coaching set up may have had very different results.
The LVG/Giggs plan was clearly to get United back to those levels so Giggs could continue the momentum long term. The plan failed and there was no way Giggs could take over where United are now. There is a lot of talk that Giggs would undermine the manager but in my opinion his only chance to get the role is if his predecessor is successful.
Faria and Louro shouldn't prevent Giggs from having a significant role in the same way as Stuivenberg and Hoek didn't under LVG. I also think that Giggs could learn far more from Mourinho than he could from LVG and Moyes.
What could prevent him having a key role is the sense that he has been wronged by not being given the manager's job after being so gracious to be part of the coaching staff over the past 3 years. I hope that is a media driven agenda and not Giggs' opinion. A manager needs a team he can trust so if he feels that way he can have no place on the coaching staff. If he sees it as a huge honour to have such a significant role and a long term opportunity to develop into an elite manager at United I would be delighted for him to stay.
Appointing Giggs as manager prior to him having any top level managerial experience would make the Moyes appointment look like an astute decision.
Therefore, the man needs to go out the comfort zone and prove himself.
Therefore, the man needs to go out the comfort zone and prove himself.
Nobody is really informed on the subject, you've posted a couple of articles from the Co92's publicity ventures and correlated that to the possibility of Giggs feeding the media stories through Rod Draper (which in my opinion as logic would dictate seems pretty bizarre given the Mail's history of attempting to destroy Giggs personal credibility but, you never know, he may be friends with Draper or something like that it is quite plausible). You nor I know if that is the case or Rod Draper is just baiting for some more views on what is known to be a contentious subject among the fans.
They are strong opinions and I stick by them, the overall crux of the situation remains the same. People are baited into reading, reacting and interpreting the information with their own context. Usually with a reactionary opinion that drives their own personal narrative. As we've seen on the caf through the ages and particularly in this situation regarding Giggs and his employment.
Totally correct.....he must prove himself as a serious winner before even being considered for manager with Utd....
James Ducker on Giggs's future http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...kling-decision-that-will-shape-his-manageria/
More of an opinion piece but thought i'd share in any case.
More of an opinion piece but thought i'd share in any case.
Let me just have a quick glance over your C.V. Ryan......
You'd think his mouth piece would be able to get a quote from Giggs in one of those articles about Salford. Instead the focus is on Neville more than anyone else. You're seriously stretching if you're using this as evidence Giggs is manipulating the media.
Giggs can jog on. Incredible how entitled he comes across in these pieces. I can only hope this is massively exaggerated.
The news journalists that sent to print the Giggs affair business have nothing to do with the sports department at the Daily Mail. This applies to all of the national newspapers. It isn't in Rob Draper's remit to uncover personal stories surrounding footballers and Giggs will have no issue with any Mail sports reporter as a result.
I really hope he leaves.
"If he could understand that the first time round, when Louis van Gaal was given the task of succeeding David Moyes, he feels in this instance that the club has reneged on a promise to hand him the keys, even if the news about Mourinho – building as it had for months – will hardly have come as a surprise."
I don't understand the logic by the board here. First you hire Moyes which was an incredibly stupid decision and then you promise a complete rookie the job? Surely not.
Having someone in the staff who is just waiting for our manager to get sacked or leave so he can get a promotion is ridiculous. And all because he is too scared he will fail elsewhere and the club will never come back for him
Excellent point
With Carrick saying "we will see next week" about his own future, I wonder if that's when Mourinho's backroom staff issue will be sorted too
If he can't help LVG last season, how can he expect to do it all by himself next season?
Carrick can feck off to. With all due respect he has no business playing for united anymore.
Thank you and move on, it's time.
It's all a bit beautiful mind
That makes little sense.
Thought for a second you were saying that to me!
I think his parking slot will have been taken and his name on it replaced with something like Mourinho #2. His door entrance card will not work. Infront of the door there will be two plastic supermarket bags written Giggsy with a black marker pen containing his belongings. People working at the office will just try to walk past in a hurry and close the door as he's trying to enter together with them "Hello Ryan, see you Ryan" "Can't let you in, you don't work here any longer. I don't know you".
I think Yorke is on the Giggs bandwagon solely for his own benefit. He wants the Villa job on the same ticket that would get Giggs the United one. Giving a former player a chance to manage.
Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to promise him the job?
I can't see him getting the job if Jose is sacked either. I think then the Glazers would be even more desperate.
Love Giggs the player we all know he was one the best wingers in the world in his day. I don't like this sense of entitlement he seems to have, I mean it isn't anyone's God given right to become our manager. He should piss off somewhere and earn his stripes like Nev tried (although it didn't work out for Nev.) What role has he been offered exactly? I heard it was Joyce's U21 job.
That could be good for him I suppose but Giggs being Giggs he will want more.
I think it may be time to part ways.
That could be good for him I suppose but Giggs being Giggs he will want more.
I think it may be time to part ways.
What is Giggs now though? That Rui lad is going to be Mourinho's assistant
So is Giggs waiting for a role to be offered to him so, does that mean he's been sacked?! If so, that means he's been sacked and his now waiting for the club to offer him a better job....
I've never known anything like that before in my life....
"You're not in the job anymore."
"Fine. Give me a role that's the same"
Baffling
So is Giggs waiting for a role to be offered to him so, does that mean he's been sacked?! If so, that means he's been sacked and his now waiting for the club to offer him a better job....
I've never known anything like that before in my life....
"You're not in the job anymore."
"Fine. Give me a role that's the same"
Baffling
What Giggs forget is that Pep/Jose/Zidane/Enrique all have earned their stripes, and they pass with flying colors (dunno about enrique, but he's managing in a full fledged team in premier division)
Even the like of Bruce/Ole/Keane/Hughes/McLaren earnt their stripes away from United.
Even the like of Bruce/Ole/Keane/Hughes/McLaren earnt their stripes away from United.
My issues with Giggs stem mainly from his silence throughout the previous season. Lvg's struggles were clearly compounded by the Co92's frequent comments in the media. While the football could certainly have been better, morale could have been improved had Giggs simply come out and said something along the lines of, "I fully believe in LVG's work and am certain the system and squad he is putting in place will bring future success. I am committed to playing my part in making this a reality." Instead he remained silent, fueling rumors about "senior members." I'd have a whole lot more respect for him had he come out and defended the previous regime..
Clueless post again. Zidane was hardly a success at Castilla, his win record percentage was at 45%.
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