Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

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spwd said:
Obviously they see what he does but I completely agree with @RedChip says, they've obviously not been that impressed.

My reply was to shamwow by the way, who claims Giggs is a promising young coach when he and the rest of us have seen NO proof of it whatsoever.
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I'm not claiming that I know he is.

What I'm claiming is this:

1) I've only heard good things about Giggs' ability and I don't think I've ever seen anything negative. This to me would be a good sign. For some it seems to be a bad sign - which I think is silly.

2) It sounds like the club want to retain his services as a coach in some capacity - I take this to mean that they value his services.

Based on that evidence, I wouldn't argue against the club wanting to retain him and I strongly disagree with those who do disagree with the clubs actions - because it is them who have no evidence.

If they didn't offer him a job, I'd be disappointed but I wouldn't argue against it.
 
And I don't get why people get upset at Dwight Yorke having ridiculous opinions. I'd be suspicious if he didn't.
 
So who are you referring to here then?

Shamwow said:
We should want to keep promising young coaches who have a long association with the club here.
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Shamwow said:
I'm not claiming that I know he is.

What I'm claiming is this:

1) I've only heard good things about Giggs' ability and I don't think I've ever seen anything negative. This to me would be a good sign. For some it seems to be a bad sign - which I think is silly.

2) It sounds like the club want to retain his services as a coach in some capacity - I take this to mean that they value his services.

Based on that evidence, I wouldn't argue against the club wanting to retain him and I strongly disagree with those who do disagree with the clubs actions - because it is them who have no evidence.

If they didn't offer him a job, I'd be disappointed but I wouldn't argue against it.
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I don't mind if he stays and takes a lower job than AM but it would be better for him and Utd if he left and proved himself sooner than just hanging about until he's given the job, which he doesn't deserve just because he's been at the club for a long time and is a legend of the club, those two things are completely different.
 
steffyr2 said:
I hope they do too....then Giggs may be forced to go get a real job rather than hanging around Utd waiting for something bad to happen so he can take


Honestly, do you really think he's our most distinguished legend?
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He was when he retired. We united fans have no reason to dislike him or hate or wanting him to fail.

So his recent antics does have an effect on his job. To think otherwise is naive
 
spwd said:
So who are you referring to here then?
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Ryan Giggs. I said I don't know for certain he is but I'm not caveating every post with that.



spwd said:
I don't mind if he stays and takes a lower job than AM but it would be better for him and Utd if he left and proved himself sooner than just hanging about until he's given the job, which he doesn't deserve just because he's been at the club for a long time and is a legend of the club, those two things are completely different.
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Wait a second. You say I've no evidence for what I say - I've put forward my evidence, which is that many figures within the game have spoken very highly of him, and the club want to keep him. What's your evidence for thinking you know what's best for Ryan Giggs and Manchester United?
 
RedChip said:
Obviously, those who watch him work haven't seen enough to offer him the post after Van Gaal. Having been snubbed this way, surely he should now be motivated to show them and the world what he can do?

To me, it makes no sense that he should hang around anymore.
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I was answering the question about evidence he's a promising young coach. Not whether he should be manager. It's clear the time isn't right for that. It doesn't mean he isn't good enough to be a coach as was being implied.
 
Shamwow said:
Ryan Giggs. I said I don't know for certain he is but I'm not caveating every post with that.






Wait a second. You say I've no evidence for what I say - I've put forward my evidence, which is that many figures within the game have spoken very highly of him, and the club want to keep him. What's your evidence for thinking you know what's best for Ryan Giggs and Manchester United?
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What's best for Giggs and United aren't the same thing. His ex team mates speaking about him well in public is par for the course and I wouldn't expect anything different. As for evidence there's a long line of club legends who have proven themselves incapable of managing even mid table clubs never mind United. Would any fans want Roy Keane/Bruce or Robson as manager?
 
goin4glory said:
What's best for Giggs and United aren't the same thing. His ex team mates speaking about him well in public is par for the course and I wouldn't expect anything different. As for evidence there's a long line of club legends who have proven themselves incapable of managing even mid table clubs never mind United. Would any fans want Roy Keane/Bruce or Robson as manager?
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Why does this have to be so all or nothing about him being manager?
 
I don't see anyone on here saying he should be manager but it's all the Giggs-haters can talk about. Just ignore Dwight Yorke, you don't pay any attention to anything else he says do you?
 
Those who thinks he'll make a good manager are actually the one who never see him in coaching or training @Shamwow

While the one he trains didn't say anything, the results of his training shows that he's not a good coach. Half of our squad is badly underperforming. But let's blame it all on van gaal eh.
 
Sky1981 said:
Those who thinks he'll make a good manager are actually the one who never see him in coaching or training @Shamwow

While the one he trains didn't say anything, the results of his training shows that he's not a good coach. Half of our squad is badly underperforming. But let's blame it all on van gaal eh.
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Actually according to Andy Mitten, most of the players wanted him as a manager and those are the one who have regularly watched him coaching or training. I'm sure you'll discount saying this means nothing as it makes your argument totally null, but there you go.
 
KM said:
Actually according to Andy Mitten, most of the players wanted him as a manager and those are the one who have regularly watched him coaching or training. I'm sure you'll discount saying this means nothing as it makes your argument totally null, but there you go.
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Yeah. Andy mitten has spoken to most of our player and asked about it. Im sure he has everyone number.
 
Sky1981 said:
Those who thinks he'll make a good manager are actually the one who never see him in coaching or training @Shamwow

While the one he trains didn't say anything, the results of his training shows that he's not a good coach. Half of our squad is badly underperforming. But let's blame it all on van gaal eh.
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Why are you @ing me here?

And Van Gaal and the some of the players have all spoken more than highly of him so you're completely wrong.
 
Sky1981 said:
Yeah. Andy mitten has spoken to most of our player and asked about it. Im sure he has everyone number.
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Yeah I'm sorry, how wrong of me to trust Andy Mitten's sources over your assumptions.
 
KM said:
Actually according to Andy Mitten, most of the players wanted him as a manager and those are the one who have regularly watched him coaching or training. I'm sure you'll discount saying this means nothing as it makes your argument totally null, but there you go.
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I wouldn't be that happy when such things happen in a struggling side where a big chunk of the team (if not the majority of it) are not good enough for a top club. Maybe they want Giggs because he's the safe option of them remaining at OT as compared to a proven winner who would want to finally show these players the door. Think about it. Where would the likes of Jones, Valencia, Carrick, Young, Rooney, Lingard, Januzaj and co go if United decided to show them the door? I doubt Real or Bayern will come knocking at their door
 
devilish said:
I wouldn't be that happy when such things happen in a struggling side where a big chunk of the team (if not the majority of it) are not good enough for a top club. Maybe they want Giggs because he's the safe option of them remaining at OT as compared to a proven winner who would want to finally show these players the door. Think about it. Where would the likes of Jones, Valencia, Carrick, Young, Rooney, Lingard, Januzaj and co go if United decided to show them the door? I doubt Real or Bayern will come knocking at their door
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I bet Jose will not sell half of these players even and that's not the point too. The idea that Giggs is not good at the coaching despite non of us having any idea what responsibilities he was delegated under LvG is a stupid assumption to make. Let's wait what he does at any other club(I suspect he's not staying here) before making any claims how good he is or not.

Also, there'll be loads of United "fans" who'll be delighted at his failure just like they were giddy at Neville's failure at Valencia. CO92 has become the enemy for the people on this board.
 
KM said:
Yeah I'm sorry, how wrong of me to trust Andy Mitten's sources over your assumptions.
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It's not even just Andy Mitten's sources, multiple players have been quoted in the papers as praising Giggs' as a coach, as well as Van Gaal himself who has been more full of praise than anyone.
 
Sky1981 said:
If he's so damn good then why are we failing?

I don't trust my assumption, i trust my eyes and the table
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If you trust the table so much are you worried about Mourinho seeing as he got sacked at 16th? Or is that Ryan Giggs' fault as well?

(Nb I'm very happy that Mourinho is our manager)
 
Sky1981 said:
If he's so damn good then why are we failing?

I don't trust my assumption, i trust my eyes and the table
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Must be sad that Mourinho is our manager then considering his last season with Chelsea?
 
Shamwow said:
Why does this have to be so all or nothing about him being manager?
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Because Giggs has openly said he wants to be the United manager.

Shamwow said:
I don't see anyone on here saying he should be manager but it's all the Giggs-haters can talk about. Just ignore Dwight Yorke, you don't pay any attention to anything else he says do you?
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Lots of the players you've cited as having "spoken highly about it" have said they'd like to see him get the job. Yorke/Scholes etc

KM said:
Actually according to Andy Mitten, most of the players wanted him as a manager and those are the one who have regularly watched him coaching or training. I'm sure you'll discount saying this means nothing as it makes your argument totally null, but there you go.
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You're scraping the bottom of the barrel when your appeal to authority argument is Andy Mitten.
 
KM said:
I bet Jose will not sell half of these players even and that's not the point too. The idea that Giggs is not good at the coaching despite non of us having any idea what responsibilities he was delegated under LvG is a stupid assumption to make. Let's wait what he does at any other club(I suspect he's not staying here) before making any claims how good he is or not.

Also, there'll be loads of United "fans" who'll be delighted at his failure just like they were giddy at Neville's failure at Valencia. CO92 has become the enemy for the people on this board.
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He will probably not be able to get rid of them at one go and some may even stand up and be counted and reach Mou/United level. However rest assured that most of them are on borrowed time as Mou would want to bring quality players who can bring this club at the level it belongs to. I mean can you imagine a person whose used to manage the likes of Hazard, Ronaldo, Etoo, Ibra and co being happy with wingers/forwards who cant even dribble past a player? Anyway change will be imminet and that's something that they wouldn't like especially since some of these players are probably on decent salaries. They wont get that amount of money at the likes of Sunderland

I can't recall of anyone being delighted of Neville's humiliating experience at Valencia. There was a couple of I told you so by those who knew how this will end. After all just because one is a good pundit that doesn't make him a great manager. As our new manager said at the time "Gaz can't stop the video, touch the screen and move players around", something I highlighted in the Nev thread too.

Also some of us were relieved with the result because with Gaz failing there was a bigger chance for our club to think twice before appointing someone with zero managerial experience as our manager just because he's one of the boys. Gaz has a similar upbringing to Giggs and he was given the job out of poor nepotism same as Giggs if he was appointed as our manager.

There again no one hate either CO92 or Neville. Its just that for some of us Manchester United future > CO92 future. As an old wise man once said. No one is bigger than the club.
 
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settembrini said:
http://uk.soccerway.com/news/2016/May/27/yorke-giggs-should-be-mourinho-successor/

Mourinho has been in the job for a day and already Giggs' mates have gone back to insisting he should be our next manager. This is a farcical situation United have created for themselves.
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I initially thought it'd be fine for Giggs to take a different job within the club, but now I really think he needs to go completely elsewhere. You absolutely cannot have someone in the club who is actively after the manager's job while all his buddies constantly speak to the media about how he should be the one to manage.

You always have to put the club's interest first rather than that of a single individual.

Set Giggs up with a good support system (eg Fergie) and let him go somewhere else to take complete charge and also be fully responsible for his team's results.

Nepotism has no place in the club's well being.
 
Sky1981 said:
He was when he retired. We united fans have no reason to dislike him or hate or wanting him to fail.

So his recent antics does have an effect on his job. To think otherwise is naive
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It'd like the kid who never leaves home -- is he really Mom's favorite? And yes the affairs have an effect. I was most offended by the big legal battle at the time -- I'm not from England, but it seemed like a big split between the haves (money) and have nots. The papers could blab all they wanted about the women involved, but couldn't say anything about Giggs. Did not look good.

Who's won Utd POTY how many times (says Wikipedia). Giggs played from 1990/1 to 2014. See the list below....Giggs won once. Ronaldo won 3 times, playing in Giggs' position when Giggs was in the team. McClair Cantona, Keane, RVN, Rooney all won twice. Why don't we make these guys an offer to be manager? Most of them at least have some experience at different teams to bring to Utd.

Wins by player[edit]
Winner Total wins Year(s)
Cristiano Ronaldo 3 2004, 2007, 2008
David de Gea 3 2014, 2015, 2016
Brian McClair 2 1988, 1992
Eric Cantona 2 1994, 1996
Roy Keane 2 1999, 2000
Ruud van Nistelrooy 2 2002, 2003
Wayne Rooney 2 2006, 2010
Bryan Robson 1 1989
Gary Pallister 1 1990
Mark Hughes 1 1991
Paul Ince 1 1993
Andrei Kanchelskis 1 1995
David Beckham 1 1997
Ryan Giggs 1 1998
Teddy Sheringham 1 2001
Gabriel Heinze 1 2005
Nemanja Vidić 1 2009
Javier Hernández 1 2011
Antonio Valencia 1 2012
Robin van Persie 1 2013
 
Seij said:
I initially thought it'd be fine for Giggs to take a different job within the club, but now I really think he needs to go completely elsewhere. You absolutely cannot have someone in the club who is actively after the manager's job while all his buddies constantly speak to the media about how he should be the one to manage.

You always have to put the club's interest first rather than that of a single individual.

Set Giggs up with a good support system (eg Fergie) and let him go somewhere else to take complete charge and also be fully responsible for his team's results.

Nepotism has no place in the club's well being.
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Definitely.

If Giggs wasn't trying to get the main job, then no problem. But he is going for the main job, and apparently isn't happy on Ed for not giving it to him. Having him there would be bad, especially considering that failure is an option for him. On 2 managerial regimes, everyone bar him was sacked. But he thinks that he should be promoted for being part of failed regimes.

Usually people have responsibilities, but this doesn't seem to go for Giggs. If the team fails, no problem Giggs, you're still be here. Obviously, this might work for someone who has no ambition of getting the main job (like Tassoti on Milan), but for someone who is going for the main job, that is not right. If Giggs stays there, then the best option for him would be if Mourinho fails and gets sacked, and so it is a conflict of interest.

Go somewhere else and prove yourself, and then when we have an opening we'll see. Alternately, stay here as a coach (if Mourinho agrees) but then don't have ambition for the main job.
 
Revan said:
Definitely.

If Giggs wasn't trying to get the main job, then no problem. But he is going for the main job, and apparently isn't happy on Ed for not giving it to him. Having him there would be bad, especially considering that failure is an option for him. On 2 managerial regimes, everyone bar him was sacked. But he thinks that he should be promoted for being part of failed regimes.

Usually people have responsibilities, but this doesn't seem to go for Giggs. If the team fails, no problem Giggs, you're still be here. Obviously, this might work for someone who has no ambition of getting the main job (like Tassoti on Milan), but for someone who is going for the main job, that is not right. If Giggs stays there, then the best option for him would be if Mourinho fails and gets sacked, and so it is a conflict of interest.

Go somewhere else and prove yourself, and then when we have an opening we'll see. Alternately, stay here as a coach (if Mourinho agrees) but then don't have ambition for the main job.
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Tassotti just want to remain at Milan. He took a serious demotion from assistant to mere scout and he never complained. He's a true club man who is grateful to what the club gives him and doesn't expect preferential treatment of any kind
 
Revan said:
If Giggs stays there, then the best option for him would be if Mourinho fails and gets sacked, and so it is a conflict of interest.
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Exactly. It's setting up for another failure.
 
devilish said:
Tassotti just want to remain at Milan. He took a serious demotion from assistant to mere scout and he never complained. He's a true club man who is grateful to what the club gives him and doesn't expect preferential treatment of any kind
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Yep. Tassotti doesn't even want the main job considering that everyone and its dog has been Milan's manager in the last 2 years, but not him. He is there to provide continuity when various managers gets sacked.

If Giggs wants that too, then fine, that is actually great for us. But if he wants the main job (and think that he is ready for it now), then keeping him would harm the team. The moment when Giggs thought that he should get the main job is the moment when he should have left the club one way or another, because at the moment, he became too big for the normal coach job.
 
KM said:
Actually according to Andy Mitten, most of the players wanted him as a manager and those are the one who have regularly watched him coaching or training. I'm sure you'll discount saying this means nothing as it makes your argument totally null, but there you go.
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Andy Mitten ffs :D The same Andy Mitten who is good mates with Giggs? The same Andy Mitten who said LvG and Giggs "buzzed off each other" and that the players "loved what they were doing"

According to the Caf he's full of shit but, he's Gospel when he says something that suits one's point of view :D

That leak in the papers last week says that Giggs could only do what LvG told him to do and that players hated LvG's methods. Yet, Giggs has impressed the players so much, that they wanted him as manager, even though he was coaching them the same methods they hated?! How does that make sense?

It's all speculation really. We can all point at different leaks or quotes or opinions but, the only real way any of us will know what he's like is if he leaves and manages elsewhere.
 
Revan said:
Yep. Tassotti doesn't even want the main job considering that everyone and its dog has been Milan's manager in the last 2 years, but not him. He is there to provide continuity when various managers gets sacked.

If Giggs wants that too, then fine, that is actually great for us. But if he wants the main job (and think that he is ready for it now), then keeping him would harm the team. The moment when Giggs thought that he should get the main job is the moment when he should have left the club one way or another, because at the moment, he became too big for the normal coach job.
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This.

One of my biggest concerns is if Giggs is given the job and he fails. At Milan he would be kicked out in few months a year max. Can we do the same with Giggs or would we accept mediocrity for him?
 
settembrini said:
http://uk.soccerway.com/news/2016/May/27/yorke-giggs-should-be-mourinho-successor/

Mourinho has been in the job for a day and already Giggs' mates have gone back to insisting he should be our next manager. This is a farcical situation United have created for themselves.
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Yorke isn't though, is he?

He just said other similar ex-players come assistant managers have been given the main job, and that if he was in Giggs's shoes he'd insisnt on putting that ridiculous clause in. He's not saying that Giggs should be the next manager. In fact, on the surface, it sounds like he may be curious of the reason as to why Giggs hasn't been offered it - like there must be some reason for it i.e. the total lack of managerial experience.
 
I'd love to be in the room if Giggs actually took Yorke's suggestion seriously and demanded that clause :D

In all seriousness though, this shit has to stop. Someone at the club has to put a stop to this. It's not healthy. Yorke is an employee of the club :rolleyes:
 
.Rossi said:
I'd love to be in the room if Giggs actually took Yorke's suggestion seriously and demanded that clause :D

In all seriousness though, this shit has to stop. Someone at the club has to put a stop to this. It's not healthy. Yorke is an employee of the club :rolleyes:
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Do you think any one at the club is as worried as the drama queens on here.
 
goin4glory said:
Because Giggs has openly said he wants to be the United manager.



Lots of the players you've cited as having "spoken highly about it" have said they'd like to see him get the job. Yorke/Scholes etc



You're scraping the bottom of the barrel when your appeal to authority argument is Andy Mitten.
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I'll take Andy Mitten when it's against people assumptions.
 
feck ex United players and their agenda. If these people and owners of this club had such vision and knew what's best for the club, United wouldnt have replaced Fergie with Moyes.
 
Sadly the time has come when it's better for the club to let him go then to keep him in any position around the first team. Today his reliability is damage goods. There are more questions than answers around him and that's a situation the club don't feel comfortable with.
 
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