That was my favourite bit too. Although the amazing lack of knowledge about Simeone's managerial career was also pretty good.
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That was my favourite bit too. Although the amazing lack of knowledge about Simeone's managerial career was also pretty good.
That stuff about Giggs putting a clause in his contract giving him the opportunity to succeed Mourinho is simply laughable.
Wtf "he should put a clause in his contract", like United would just do that!? The club aren't a charity.
Whoa, whoa, whoaaaa......are you seriously questioning Dwight Yorke, contract and employment law specialist?
Never seen people take so much notice of what Dwight Yorke says before. Is he even close mates with Giggs?
Don't want him as manager.
Unless he is the best candidate of all the applicants based on his past managerial work. So it's not just about going out and being decent at a Swansea or co..It's about defying odds at Aberdeen like Fergie did it at Porto like Mourinho did .
No one deserves to be handed the United job. it's the biggest job in English football. It should be treated as such.
Unless he is the best candidate of all the applicants based on his past managerial work. So it's not just about going out and being decent at a Swansea or co..It's about defying odds at Aberdeen like Fergie did it at Porto like Mourinho did .
No one deserves to be handed the United job. it's the biggest job in English football. It should be treated as such.
Giggs wanted to succeed van gaal, how is it possible for mourinho to keep him knowing very well that giggs wants his job?
Giggs needs to move on for his own sake, the job he wanted is gone.
Giggs needs to move on for his own sake, the job he wanted is gone.
The audacity!
OMG - this is so embarrassing. I know footballers for the most part are thick, but Yorke really is beyond thickness. United need to nip this in the bud and send Ryan away asap! Can't have him around Mourinho. The entitlement from this lot is breathtaking
The audacity!
OMG - this is so embarrassing. I know footballers for the most part are thick, but Yorke really is beyond thickness. United need to nip this in the bud and send Ryan away asap! Can't have him around Mourinho. The entitlement from this lot is breathtaking
Why should Ryan Giggs be sacked for something Dwight Yorke has said?
Forget Yorke. He wants the job and should not be there. It doesn't create a good atmosphere for the new manager - that is what is important. He should not get the job for hanging around, hence he needs to leave.
i don't know what's so difficult to understand about that. Please don't act like Giggs is innocent in all this.
the sense of entitlement these players have is incredible.
Take Phil Nev as an example. He's been like the horseman of the apocalypse in terms of coaching ie hopping from one disastrous administration to another (Moyes, Nuno, Gaz) bringing bad luck and devastation. Paco finally noticed how much bad luck this guy carries and relegated him to some dark place. Instead of laying low while hoping he will get yet another chance in coaching he goes out asking for a promotion (ie a managerial role). The reason to that is that he would then be able to appoint his own people.
Take Phil Nev as an example. He's been like the horseman of the apocalypse in terms of coaching ie hopping from one disastrous administration to another (Moyes, Nuno, Gaz) bringing bad luck and devastation. Paco finally noticed how much bad luck this guy carries and relegated him to some dark place. Instead of laying low while hoping he will get yet another chance in coaching he goes out asking for a promotion (ie a managerial role). The reason to that is that he would then be able to appoint his own people.
It's difficult to understand because it's ridiculous. Giggs isn't mates with everyone in the media who has said something nice about him. It's lucky supersleuths like you can see all this conniving activity when the people at the club can't.
Come on he's friends with Yorke. Great player, but why so defensive about him? Great player doesn't = good human being. I want people to get positions because they deserve it, and not through a sense of entitlement - which is what pisses most people off who want to see Ryan leave and do his thing.
Anyway, let's not argue because we will never see eye to eye on this.
It's crazy, I can't believe how many people are wanting/expecting Giggs to be the next manager, just because he played with us for so many years?.
Coaching is much more than that, I can't believe how nieve some ex pros are being. It's like he's told them all to push his name into the press and demand he is hired. Tbh the class or 92 were great for us on the pitch, but of it seriously could damage our future.
Coaching is much more than that, I can't believe how nieve some ex pros are being. It's like he's told them all to push his name into the press and demand he is hired. Tbh the class or 92 were great for us on the pitch, but of it seriously could damage our future.
To be fair, no one ever championed George as manager of united; bet even he would have laughed at the idea.
Is he? I really have no idea. Do you?
I'm pissed off because you want to see a man sacked just so you don't have to worry about your own paranoid delusions that he might one day get made manager of Manchester United without deserving it. It's ridiculous. We should want to keep promising young coaches who have a long association with the club here.
It is disruptive, isn't it?
You would think, though, having been overlooked this time, that the message is clear: the Glazers and Woodward will not take a punt on Ryan. Not with his current, scant credentials. If Jose implodes, we will be in an even worse state, making the risk of appointing Ryan higher.
I believe that Ryan Giggs deserves a job with United. He's one of the most decorated player the club had ever had and the doors should always be open to him. However that shouldn't impact the club in anyway. In few words he should either start low and go up the ranks at the discretion of the manager or else be given an administration or cerimonial role.
What a fecking idiot, he definitely needs to leave if this has already started!
I hope more professional players come out backing Giggs. Just to see level of anger and hate it brings on here.
How do you know he's a promising coach? Where is the evidence? And, if i'm paranoid, so are most posters who also want to see him go. Go and have a go at them.
He no doubt would have. But that's different: He was out of control, it's obvious that his lifestyle would have been a huge problem if he against all sense had been appointed manager.
If Giggs' problem was comparable to Best's nobody would champion him as manager either.
The only relevance Best has here is that most United fans do not consider him a "vile human being", in spite of what he did over the years.
Where's the proof he's a promising young coach?
That's the whole point, there isn't any and that's why he needs to go and do it by himself and prove that he is, then if it works out we can take a look at him, until then he has no more right to the job than G Nev or Phil etc.
Would you take Ole as manager because he has actually done it and won something, but I'm betting most people don't think he's good enough so why is sir Ryan?
Well, there are few differences between the two situations. For me, personally, the main reason Giggs' personal issues have come under greater scrutiny than George is because Giggs has been championed as a candidate for manager of Manchester United. The situation is very much like standing for election for high office as a politician: suddenly everyone starts looking much more closely at the candidates personality and their weaknesses.
Second, George Best was perhaps the most charismatic footballer who ever played for us; he could get away with way more sins than charisma-free Giggs. Maybe be unfair, even hypocritical, but it is the way it is.
Finally, I think our society is very forgiving of alcoholics because alcohol plays such a big role in how we socialise. People are forgiven for doing stuff people wouldn't normally countenance because they are drunk much more than they should.
As long as Woodward is the man making the calls such nonsense will remain a pipe dream until Giggs' body of work starts to speak for him not his mates.
The narrative that Ryan Giggs shouldn't become the manager of Manchester United F.C. because of what he did in his personal life seems to have masked the concerns of the many of his capabilities.
Many ex-players have, with varying degrees of success, become managers through the course of history and Ryan Giggs with his cabinet full of awards, with his experience and qualifications should be in the front seat for a managerial post.
Does this however mean he should be in the front seat when the seat becomes empty the next time? The answer is painfully and obviously, a resounding no. We saw, with shock and horror, the ineptness David Moyes showcased as our manager (even with his 11+ years of managing a top flight football club). We've seen Steve Bruce, Roy Keane, Diego Maradona, Mark Hughes, OGS (to name a few) struggle, again with varing degrees, in managing club/country.
There was a point made by a poster who said, advise from the "greatest manager in the world" would just be a phone call away. If the world of football management worked that way, should Darren Ferguson be managing higher than Doncaster Rovers F.C.?
All above said, would anyone still raise their hand and vote for Ran Giggs tomorrow if the managerial seat at MUFC were decided through a vote?
Just so I'm clear, I'm not saying he's a bad coach or a bad manager. I don't really care what he's done as a person. But he's unproven. Manchester United can be many things to many people, but a training ground for up-and-coming managers, it really shouldn't be.
Finally, those whom seemed convinced that Giggs would be a success on account of Zidane (partially) and Guardiola being successful need to look at the variables at play in each of the scenario. Does correlation imply causation? Is there any reason to believe that the situation at all three clubs are the same or even reason to believe Giggs and Guardiola are comparable ?
I'd really love to understand the basis with which people want Giggs to be our manager.
Many ex-players have, with varying degrees of success, become managers through the course of history and Ryan Giggs with his cabinet full of awards, with his experience and qualifications should be in the front seat for a managerial post.
Does this however mean he should be in the front seat when the seat becomes empty the next time? The answer is painfully and obviously, a resounding no. We saw, with shock and horror, the ineptness David Moyes showcased as our manager (even with his 11+ years of managing a top flight football club). We've seen Steve Bruce, Roy Keane, Diego Maradona, Mark Hughes, OGS (to name a few) struggle, again with varing degrees, in managing club/country.
There was a point made by a poster who said, advise from the "greatest manager in the world" would just be a phone call away. If the world of football management worked that way, should Darren Ferguson be managing higher than Doncaster Rovers F.C.?
All above said, would anyone still raise their hand and vote for Ran Giggs tomorrow if the managerial seat at MUFC were decided through a vote?
Just so I'm clear, I'm not saying he's a bad coach or a bad manager. I don't really care what he's done as a person. But he's unproven. Manchester United can be many things to many people, but a training ground for up-and-coming managers, it really shouldn't be.
Finally, those whom seemed convinced that Giggs would be a success on account of Zidane (partially) and Guardiola being successful need to look at the variables at play in each of the scenario. Does correlation imply causation? Is there any reason to believe that the situation at all three clubs are the same or even reason to believe Giggs and Guardiola are comparable ?
I'd really love to understand the basis with which people want Giggs to be our manager.
People care. The fans care.
Before the whole affair and pre lvg everyone and his dogs love giggs. We are Manchester United fans, why should we create an agenda for our own most distinguished legend? You can have a case if the liverpool or chelsea fans digging his affair up, but even United fans are sick withwhat he's done.
He should clearly go and try to prove himself as a manager now. Anything else is a copout.
I'd want Ryan Giggs to leave the club, for two reasons as articulated below
For Ryan Giggs's Future
- Giggs might be a promising coach, an astute tactician, a great man motivator. But the world as such or even he himself wouldn't know till he works on that ambition to coach/manage. Giggs, the player, was respected across the footballing faternity. But Giggs, the manager, can't be classified to any category until he manages. If he's a success, say a la Diego Simeone [AM were 9th in La Liga (09-10), 7th (10-11), 5th (11-12, First DS year), 3rd (12-13), 1st (13-14), 3rd(14-15), 3rd (15-16)], then and only should he claim the right to the throne that is the MUFC manager's seat. He might still not be successful after that, but atleast MUFC isn't gambling with its future and the future of Ryan Giggs if he were to come back post a successful spell elsewhere.
- Imagine a scenario, where you're a head of a business or a store or even a function in your business. You have an ambitious target, a wonderful team and the top management's support. Now there is one gentleman in your staff who wants your role and will only get your role if you're sacked. Now this gentleman might not actively disrupt your work, cause harm. But human behavior is such that this person would never give a 100%. The longer you last the worse it is for him, so why would he? Infact if you were in the staff's position, would you?. This being the scenario Mourinho finds himself in, if I were him, I wouldn't want Giggs in my team. Not because he's going to be a bad influence or he might disrupt; but rather because he's never going to give me 100% and the least I should expect of my group is 100%
This is at least the second time recently you've explicitly claimed that someone is mentally ill just because they don't agree with you; enough of it, please.
Why?
I agree. I find it hard to see beyond his personal choices: they disgust me.
I doesn't matter I; it has anything to do with his career, it's now public domain information and it gets in the way.
Manchester United manager is a culturally significant job with influence far beyond Old Trafford. Having people sniggering at Giggs at the countless black tie events he'd have to attend as manager would make a mockery of the role and the club. Likewise, just as people are wary of Mourinho antics, so I don't trust Giggs not get get embroiled in countless kiss and tell scandals from wannabe WAGS who would no doubt throw themselves at him.
Best for him now is to get 3 or 4 serious management experience, win some trophies and probably re marry and prove himself settled. We can revisit the situation on the day that Mourinho leaves.
The club obviously don't care who Giggs shags other wise he wouldn't have been there all these years, for what he did he his a wanker but he is also professional and has always acted as such at the club which is where we should focus on!
If he doesn't understand that the club can't take a risk on him then he has no business staying as he ain't bigger then the club!
If he doesn't understand that the club can't take a risk on him then he has no business staying as he ain't bigger then the club!
There would be evidence for those who watch him work. And they are the ones who will be involved in offering him a job. Not people on an Internet forum.
I hope they do too....then Giggs may be forced to go get a real job rather than hanging around Utd waiting for something bad to happen so he can take advantage.
Honestly, do you really think he's our most distinguished legend?
Obviously, those who watch him work haven't seen enough to offer him the post after Van Gaal. Having been snubbed this way, surely he should now be motivated to show them and the world what he can do?
To me, it makes no sense that he should hang around anymore.
Because I believe that organisations are only as good as the people that make them, and that it's generally preferable to keep competent people than turnover new ones.
I also think it gives the club a stronger identity, which is less tangible but still nice for me as a supporter.
I'm not saying he has to become manager, but if he wants to stay and the club want to keep him on then I don't see the problem. All this snake nonsense is just nonsense.
For 1. Giggs has only been coaching full time for 2 years now, there's nothing wrong with him wanting to spend a bit more time learning his new craft and there's a good chance that he'll see learning with Mourinho at the club to be a massive opportunity - because it is.
For 2. If I'm the boss then I'd expect people to want my role. I've been head of a department and I actively encouraged certain people to want to progress in that way. If you worry about anyone it's the people who are at the same level as you.
Van Gaal has only had good things to say about Giggs. In fact he's been more than positive about him. Does it sound like Giggs is not giving Van Gaal 100% of what Van Gaal expects of him?
Obviously they see what he does but I completely agree with @RedChip says, they've obviously not been that impressed.
My reply was to shamwow by the way, who claims Giggs is a promising young coach when he and the rest of us have seen NO proof of it whatsoever.
Apologies Steve.
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