Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

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Just get out and face the real world of management. Choose a petty team and earn your badges (in real)
 
Couldn't care less if he left. To be frank, I lost all my love and respect for him once my image of him was destroyed, courtesy of his sex scandal.
 
Sky1981 said:
45% with Castila isn't so bad, giggs had 45% with United in 4 match?
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Yes because having a 45% win rate in Spanish third division means you're qualified enough to get a job at one of the world's biggest clubs. Impossible to argue against this logic. He was unqualified to manage that club, just as Pep was and just as Giggs is. However Madrid and Barcelona could've afforded that risks and we couldn't, and that's why Mourinho is the best option.
 
Unless Giggs had a written agreement that he was going to be promoted to the top job at some point, I can't see how he could possibly feel that he should have it. Things change in organisations and succession planning doesn't always come to fruition, unless your dad is the boss. SAF (and presumably the board) obviously thought Moyes would be around for a long time and Giggs would just seamlessly take the reins after him. When that scenario didn't happen, all bets were off, really. You can't then stay around hoping that the same scenario will happen again.

There must be people on here who were lined up for a job, only to find that organisational change meant the job didn't materialise. It's happened to me more than once.

Jacob said:
Couldn't care less if he left. To be frank, I lost all my love and respect for him once my image of him was destroyed, courtesy of his sex scandal.
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To me, it shows that there's something about his moral compass that is seriously out of alignment. Whether it's directly relevant to his work as a football coach or not, it is part of his character.
 
Minimalist said:
Giggs can jog on. Incredible how entitled he comes across in these pieces. I can only hope this is massively exaggerated.
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Giggs doesn't come across as anything considering they are opinion pieces written by others. Find a quote where Giggs claims to be "entitled" to the job. One quote. Anywhere.
 
Jacob said:
Couldn't care less if he left. To be frank, I lost all my love and respect for him once my image of him was destroyed, courtesy of his sex scandal.
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But we'll welcome with open arms the saintly Mourinho. The hypocrisy of the moral majority is pretty consistent.

I reckon Giggs' infidelity would be overlooked by many if he was a proven manager who was coming in to win us titles.
 
Barca84 said:
But we'll welcome with open arms the saintly Mourinho. The hypocrisy of the moral majority is pretty consistent.

I reckon Giggs' infidelity would be overlooked by many if he was a proven manager who was coming in to win us titles.
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What has Mourinho done or been reported to have done that compares to Giggs?
 
Ixion said:
What has Mourinho done or been reported to have done that compares to Giggs?
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That depends on where your moral compass points really doesn't it? My point stands. Folk don't want Giggs to get the job and use off field antics as some spurious qualification for their viewpoint.

I don't want him to get the job for football reasons.
 
Barca84 said:
That depends on where your moral compass points really doesn't it? My point stands. Folk don't want Giggs to get the job and use off field antics as some spurious qualification for their viewpoint.

I don't want him to get the job for football reasons.
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I think most people's moral compass don't equate poking someone in the eye to years of infidelity, an abortion and press injuctions. Anything that can be thrown at Mourinho is at least within the context of wanting to win football matches and doing/saying something in the heat of the moment.

But you don't even need to point to Giggs' off field antics, he isn't qualified for the United job, he hasn't managed anywhere, and he's been part of two failed coaching set-ups where everyone else got the sack. In his two years as asistant manager I can't remember him once coming out and speaking to the media. He hasn't improved his stock at all in the past two years.
 
Barca84 said:
I don't want him to get the job for football reasons.
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This for me. Giggs does not deserve even the U21 at Utd because he has ZERO experience.
What he does in his personal life is not a big deal for me at least. If the players playing under him can't play him for such reasons, then he ll lose his job anyways.
I don't buy the "He should be an example to follow in every aspect of life" thing.

Besides the players are no saints themselves. There is a controversy coming up every now and then about players (single or otherwise) being involved with some woman or the other. Lot of the news die out soon or are probably paid off.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
This for me. Giggs does not deserve even the U21 at Utd because he has ZERO experience.
What he does in his personal life is not a big deal for me at least. If the players playing under him can't play him for such reasons, then he ll lose his job anyways.
I don't buy the "He should be an example to follow in every aspect of life" thing.

Besides the players are no saints themselves. There is a controversy coming up every now and then about players (single or otherwise) being involved with some woman or the other. Lot of the news die out soon or are probably paid off.
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Exactly. When did this thread degenerate into a moral superiority contest? Whatever you think of the allegations around Giggs, frankly it's his lack of coaching creds that matters here.

The press are united on the idea that Giggs wants to be number 2. I just don't see how that's justifiable.

Rui Faria is an experienced coach, Giggs has just three years experience. Three years of allegedly being excluded from Moyes & Van Gaal's key decisions. So what experience does be really have?

I don't understand Giggs' hesitancy to take a different role. Walter Smith won tons as Rangers manager, but never thought he was too big to be assistant to Fergie.

If Giggs wants to leave United, good luck to him. He has given decades to United, if he wants to go elsewhere fair play. But this idea that he should be entitled to some major role if he stays is crazy.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
This for me. Giggs does not deserve even the U21 at Utd because he has ZERO experience.
What he does in his personal life is not a big deal for me at least. If the players playing under him can't play him for such reasons, then he ll lose his job anyways.
I don't buy the "He should be an example to follow in every aspect of life" thing.

Besides the players are no saints themselves. There is a controversy coming up every now and then about players (single or otherwise) being involved with some woman or the other. Lot of the news die out soon or are probably paid off.
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What's he supposed to do? Manage Accrington Stanley u/11s to get experience?
 
Giggs may be doesnt realise how much the fans dont like him demanding a job that they dont think he deserves. These tip off to the media how fans will be sad etc are pathetic. Earn your right to the job, go to everton/villa show your football and then come back.
 
Maradona10 said:
Giggs may be doesnt realise how much the fans dont like him demanding a job that they dont think he deserves. These tip off to the media how fans will be sad etc are pathetic. Earn your right to the job, go to everton/villa show your football and then come back.
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And you know this is coming from Giggs how?
 
Barca84 said:
Giggs doesn't come across as anything considering they are opinion pieces written by others. Find a quote where Giggs claims to be "entitled" to the job. One quote. Anywhere.
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You obviously didn't read what I said. I am clearly inferring from opinion pieces that claim to have the 'inside story' with Giggs and those around him who want him in the job - hence my statement at the end 'I hope this is massively exaggerated.' To be explicit, I'm fully aware Giggs might be not at all what he's described as but I can only comment on the picture that is drawn up by the majority of journalists out there.
 
Maradona10 said:
Giggs may be doesnt realise how much the fans dont like him demanding a job that they dont think he deserves. These tip off to the media how fans will be sad etc are pathetic. Earn your right to the job, go to everton/villa show your football and then come back.
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I wouldn't want Giggs to get the job because of credentials.
At the same time, I don't think there is any proof or reason to think that Giggs is demanding or putting anyone in a tight spot over getting the job for himself. For all we know, he might be waiting to see if he has a chance to get the job. Else might not make any fuss about it.

It is the media and the current crop of new pundits who think that he somehow deserves the job.
 
Barca84 said:
Are you a pro life campaigner?
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No? Maybe that was phrased badly, abortions are fine, paid for an abortion of his brother's wife behind his back not quite the same thing.

But like I said, what he does off the field is irrelevant. He isn't qualified to be United manager. Years at the club, knowing the club, it means nothing. Ferguson had no association with the club before he took over.
 
United have been incredibly naive in all of this .
Firstly , to think that Giggs would smoothly take over from moyes or lvg was just wishful thinking in hindsight .
It clearly didn't work out after the last 2 managers and maybe "enforcing" Giggs on them as assistant probably didn't help matters.
To be fair to Giggs he's now been backed into a corner with no where to go . Any other job than assistant is seen as a clear demotion , so he must leave and get a job somewhere else to build up his portfolio .
This current premier league is not the same as under the fergie years , there are quite clearly (going off last season ) 4 teams better than us and probably another 2 (Chelsea and Liverpool) that , if we don't get our act together , could leap frog us as well .
The board need to put all footballing matters into mourinhos hands and trust him to pick the back room staff that he needs , trusts and WANTS. this does not include forcing an ex player on him that we owe a favour because he's bin with us since he was in pampers.
For all the memories Giggs as given us he needs to move on if he is to achieve his dream if being our next manager . I'm sure if he is doing an half decent job somewhere else like Hughes and Bruce then he will at least come under consideration to succeed mourinho .
Being demoted to under 21s manager or the like surely won't .
 
I believe that the club committed 2 big mistakes on this regard which had basically compromised Giggs.

a- promising him some sort of internship were he will be groomed as manager. That's stupid. We're a top football club with well defined ambitions not an academy or a school. No one can provide that especially since we will be forcing the manager to do something (train someone to one day take his job) he wouldn't want to do and had never faced before

b- we imposed Giggs over the manager. That's also stupid. Managers work with their own men. They do so because they can trust them completely knowing that if they fall then their staff will fall too. We created a scenario were one of their staff actually benefits if the manager fails and because of it players can choose between the manager's camp and the other option's camp because there are 2 camps to choose. That's unacceptable especially in a team were there's so much deadwood, most at the end of their career, who want someone solid who would allow them to earn their dosh without rocking too much the boat. Think about it. If Mou decides to get rid of Jones, Young, Valencia, Carrick, Bastian, Januzaj and Rooney were will they go? Surely not the likes of Real, Barcelona and co.

We need to be honest with Giggs. He can either wait for Charlton to retire and return in an administrative role. After all there's plenty of ex players in such situation (and Charlton won't remain for long in that role either) such as Nedved at Juventus. However if he insist on a football role than as a United employee he's in the manager's hands. The manager decides if he wants to keep him and in which role he's going to utilize him. That can lead to a good amount of misery for him. Beppe Baresi is a legend at Inter. As coach he went up the ranks were he won loads of honours with the youth team and he was Mou's right man during the treble run. However that didn't stop Rafa from demoting him only to be promoted soon afterwards. With the arrival of Mancini, Beppe Baresi ended up in the role of a mere scout. Same fate happened to another legend Tassotti (at AC Milan).
 
Ixion said:
I think most people's moral compass don't equate poking someone in the eye to years of infidelity, an abortion and press injuctions. Anything that can be thrown at Mourinho is at least within the context of wanting to win football matches and doing/saying something in the heat of the moment..
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Quite. What Giggs has done is disgusting, and people who talk about the 'United way' should remember that United sacked a manager (Docherty) for less than what he has done.
 
I think what it all boils down to is the idea that he was a quality player and great servant to us some how earns him a crack at the United job. It's just mental.

Proving yourself to be one of the best coaches/managers in the world should be what earns you a crack at the United job, not being a skilful player who spent his whole career here.
 
The only argument I see for Giggs is he's been here so long and knows the club. But so what? It didn't help Shearer at Newcastle or Souness at Liverpool. Sir Alex didn't have any association with the club before he came here, nor did Mourinho at Chelsea or Wenger at Arsenal. Knowing the club, what the fans want, is just some empty argument ex-players who are now pundits give when talking about their mates. Any argument that can be made for Giggs can be applied to Gary Neville who has shown years winning trophies as a player doesn't translate to management.
 
I'd love to know how all the people criticising Giggs for being a little unhappy would react to being told that they were next in line for a job and then got demoted. I'm sure they'd agree that they were entitled twats if they were annoyed about it.
 
acnumber9 said:
I'd love to know how all the people criticising Giggs for being a little unhappy would react to being told that they were next in line for a job and then got demoted. I'm sure they'd agree that they were entitled twats if they were annoyed about it.
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Clearly he's proven he isn't up to it in the 3 years since Fergie left, he has been the only constant in our management/coaching staff during our worst football period of the last 3 decades, it's entirely justified.
 
acnumber9 said:
I'd love to know how all the people criticising Giggs for being a little unhappy would react to being told that they were next in line for a job and then got demoted. I'm sure they'd agree that they were entitled twats if they were annoyed about it.
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I wonder how Van Gaal feels about being told he was on a 3 year contract but only getting 2 years?
 
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