Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

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Chorley1974 said:
Why a shame? If he's not qualified for the roles, and without a qualified track record of managerial/coaching success, not sure why a shame. More deadwood out, which LVG was largely successful at, but clearly not fully.
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I mean it's just a shame for me because I'd like for our great players to do well at the club after they retire. I've only heard good things about his coaching ability from people who've been around him through so there may be something to it.

I feel like the word "deadwood" is overused a bit in this forum.

Or as .Rossi would put it:

"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"

Replace baby with Ryan Giggs in this case.
 
.Rossi said:
So you can't grasp the concept that if a manager is good enough then, experience doesn't come into it, like Zidane?

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Objectively, its unlikely that he's better than Mourinho who has great natural talent as well as experience. Mourinho wasn't a realistic choice for Real when they promoted Zidane.
 
Shamwow said:
Objectively, its unlikely that he's better than Mourinho who has great natural talent as well as experience. Mourinho wasn't a realistic choice for Real when they promoted Zidane.
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Genuinely, I honestly don't know why I said anything in the first place. Not having a go at you, I wasn't in the mood to discuss anything and posted lazily
 
Fergie was never forced to have a number two who could potentially take over from him so.why the feck are we doing that to successive managers. It breeds conflict and the players think as long as we are fine with the assistant manager he's going to reward us when he takes over.. its a ridiculous situation to have. It creates politics where it is not needed.

Cruyff was probably the greatest thinker in the game ever.. he was a leader in every sense of the word. A visionary and legendary captain.. he's not your average player turned manager. Guardiola was seen to be a manager on the pitch.. Barcelonas greatest captain and a tactical maestro even when playing. Super articulate and travelled the world.. experienced different leagues and managers before taking over the Barcelona B team where he excelled. Again not your average player turned manager.

Zidane another genius of a player. His entire game based on leading and being the most tactically aware player on the pitch. Experienced different leagues all kinds of legendary managers.. varieties in terms of tactics/cultures. That still doesn't guarantee he'll be any good after this season but there is a reason why foreign player turned managers do much better.

Giggs has nowhere near their level of exposure to different types of football.
 
I think Jose will not allow Giggs to leave.He knows very well the importance of having a club icon like Giggs in his corner.It is a mutually beneficial situation for everyone.
 
Would be so strange not to see Giggsy as a part of the club after so many years. He is like the only link between Fergie's and post-Fergie's United. :(
But it's only logical that he will move on.
 
Raees said:
Fergie was never forced to have a number two who could potentially take over from him so.why the feck are we doing that to successive managers. It breeds conflict and the players think as long as we are fine with the assistant manager he's going to reward us when he takes over.. its a ridiculous situation to have. It creates politics where it is not needed.

Cruyff was probably the greatest thinker in the game ever.. he was a leader in every sense of the word. A visionary and legendary captain.. he's not your average player turned manager. Guardiola was seen to be a manager on the pitch.. Barcelonas greatest captain and a tactical maestro even when playing. Super articulate and travelled the world.. experienced different leagues and managers before taking over the Barcelona B team where he excelled. Again not your average player turned manager.

Zidane another genius of a player. His entire game based on leading and being the most tactically aware player on the pitch. Experienced different leagues all kinds of legendary managers.. varieties in terms of tactics/cultures. That still doesn't guarantee he'll be any good after this season but there is a reason why foreign player turned managers do much better.

Giggs has nowhere near their level of exposure to different types of football.
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If Giggs thinks he was "Assistant Manager" under LVG then he is delusional. LVG and his team were equally delusional for putting up with the pretense.
Give Giggs the U21 job. Let him prove his metal.
 
I'm always amazed at all this "Snake" talk, in terms of the job.

Yes he was a bit unsavoury in his personal life, although no one actually knows the real truth.
But I can't for a second see him as this super intelligent manipulator behind the scenes. I'd see him as more a quiet, almost shy chap who I couldn't see doing any of that, but also I couldn't see him managing a difficult set of characters.
 
Sandikan said:
I'm always amazed at all this "Snake" talk, in terms of the job.

Yes he was a bit unsavoury in his personal life, although no one actually knows the real truth.
But I can't for a second see him as this super intelligent manipulator behind the scenes. I'd see him as more a quiet, almost shy chap who I couldn't see doing any of that, but also I couldn't see him managing a difficult set of characters.
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He was humping his brothers wife for 8 (eight) years, when it came out he gained a £150,000 super-injunction to suppress the story. It took him four years to apologise for his actions. That's the real truth!

It is also common knowledge he went behind both Moist and LVGs backs with tittle tattle to Alex Ferguson

He is inarticulate, slow witted and has a propensity to dither over the most simple of decisions. His lack of conviction would have seen him surround himself with 'mates' the likes of Pip 'yummy, yummy pancakes for breckie' Neville and other no hopers. In short, his tenure would have been disastrous!
 
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This would be incredible if it happened. An absolutely wonderful opportunity for Giggs with some of the younger players they have, and money supposedly coming in. But at the same time, it's a big risk for Everton.
 
entropy said:
I think Jose will not allow Giggs to leave.He knows very well the importance of having a club icon like Giggs in his corner.It is a mutually beneficial situation for everyone.
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Then hire Neville or someone who actually has some qualifications. I don't want Giggs in any position of power. He can manage the U-21s and gain experience or move elsewhere to get acquainted with being a manager. He simply feels entitled to something he isn't and it completely triggers me seeing some people thinking he should be Mourinho's assistant
 
Flytan said:
Then hire Neville or someone who actually has some qualifications. I don't want Giggs in any position of power. He can manage the U-21s and gain experience or move elsewhere to get acquainted with being a manager. He simply feels entitled to something he isn't and it completely triggers me seeing some people thinking he should be Mourinho's assistant
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He has qualifications. The same ones Neville has. And more experience too.
 
entropy said:
I think Jose will not allow Giggs to leave.He knows very well the importance of having a club icon like Giggs in his corner.It is a mutually beneficial situation for everyone.
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If the Everton thing is true then there is little mou can do. Manager of Everton > assistant manager.

Also if reports are true, mou had offered him a role which is being interpretEd as a demotion. I doubt that he really wants him around
 
acnumber9 said:
He has qualifications. The same ones Neville has. And more experience too.
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Neville at least tried and failed. Giggs hasn't done anything of note. The only people who say he's qualified are his "buddies" who constantly praise him in the news trying to get United to give him the job. Neville has worked with England and Valencia. Giggs has sat on the sidelines with Moyes and Van Gaal, two coaches who were fired due to lack of success. If anything that make him unqualified for handing out our kits.

And before you say "Neville failed too!". Different circumstances.
 
Flytan said:
Neville at least tried and failed. Giggs hasn't done anything of note. The only people who say he's qualified are his "buddies" who constantly praise him in the news trying to get United to give him the job. Neville has worked with England and Valencia. Giggs has sat on the sidelines with Moyes and Van Gaal, two coaches who were fired due to lack of success. If anything that make him unqualified for handing out our kits.

And before you say "Neville failed too!". Different circumstances.
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Ok. So when Neville does something he works. When Giggs does it he's watching from the sidelines. Walk carefully with that chip on your shoulder. It could fall off.
 
Unbelievable how much grief Giggs gets on here. Everyone with a keyboard is an expert on football management.

Most managers are ex players. It's not unusual for a former player to manage the club he played for. But, nooooooo! Not Ryan Giggs! He's a snake. He's an adulterer. He's a moron who can't formulate proper sentences. He's not a leader. He's got no experience. Yadda yadda yadda.

Our most decorated player of all time. Got his badges. Got a few years experience on the coaching side of things. Got the advice of the greatest manager of all time any time he picks up the phone.

"Nah, mate. Not a chance."
 
Sandikan said:
I'm always amazed at all this "Snake" talk, in terms of the job.

Yes he was a bit unsavoury in his personal life, although no one actually knows the real truth.
But I can't for a second see him as this super intelligent manipulator behind the scenes. I'd see him as more a quiet, almost shy chap who I couldn't see doing any of that, but also I couldn't see him managing a difficult set of characters.
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I agree and it's amusing how so many people seem to know so much about him based on his body language in the dugout. Maybe he's just quiet and LVG knows this, so they communicate by giving each other looks. ANd then people pick it up and think that they have a rift. I know the brother incident left a bad taste in many peoples mouths though, so he'll have to bend over backwards just to prove himself to the fans.
 
mu4c_20le said:
I know the brother incident left a bad taste in many peoples mouths though, so he'll have to bend over backwards just to prove himself to the fans.
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...which he'll be able to do quite easily thanks to the yoga. Nobody ever mentions the yoga. So many strings to his bow.
 
acnumber9 said:
Ok. So when Neville does something he works. When Giggs does it he's watching from the sidelines. Walk carefully with that chip on your shoulder. It could fall off.
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Giggs is too scared to leave the sidelines which is my point. Neville failed as a manager but has plenty of time to improve. Giggs hasn't failed as a manager, he just refuses to actually become one.
 
Badunk said:
Unbelievable how much grief Giggs gets on here. Everyone with a keyboard is an expert on football management.

Most managers are ex players. It's not unusual for a former player to manage the club he played for. But, nooooooo! Not Ryan Giggs! He's a snake. He's an adulterer. He's a moron who can't formulate proper sentences. He's not a leader. He's got no experience. Yadda yadda yadda.

Our most decorated player of all time. Got his badges. Got a few years experience on the coaching side of things. Got the advice of the greatest manager of all time any time he picks up the phone.

"Nah, mate. Not a chance."
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...and no experience of being a manager. At all.

He's got a great chance to go and do the job elsewhere. To deal with the pressure, select a team, build a squad and achieve something. Being a manager is more than getting a bit of coaching experience. And if he does that and is a success, I'm sure the fans would welcome him as a manager with open arms.

If this club wants to achieve anything the romance of "decorated players" with a link to Fergie getting special treatment can't be allowed to happen.

Looking backwards will get is nowhere. We need to look forwards as a club and he needs to earn his chance.
 
Flytan said:
Giggs is too scared to leave the sidelines which is my point. Neville failed as a manager but has plenty of time to improve. Giggs hasn't failed as a manager, he just refuses to actually become one.
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Or he stayed loyal to the club he has always worked for after being told he was next in line. What a bastard.
 
Big Jim Holton said:
He was humping his brothers wife for 8 (eight) years, when it came out he gained a £150,000 super-injunction to suppress the story. It took him four years to apologise for his actions. That's the real truth!

It is also common knowledge he went behind both Moist and LVGs backs with tittle tattle to Alex Ferguson

He is inarticulate, slow witted and has a propensity to dither over the most simple of decisions. His lack of conviction would have seen him surround himself with 'mates' the likes of Pip 'yummy, yummy pancakes for breckie' Neville and other no hopers. In short, his tenure would have been disastrous!
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So much hate

Sad that one of our greatest legends is thought of like this by so many of you
 
Giggs in my eyes is probably the greatest player we've ever had but after the revelations of his personal life I wouldn't want him running the club. Maybe that's unfair but it's just how it is and I suspect it's the biggest reason people don't want him as part of the set-up (apart from having no/little experience of course).
 
Ixion said:
Giggs in my eyes is probably the greatest player we've ever had but after the revelations of his personal life I wouldn't want him running the club. Maybe that's unfair but it's just how it is and I suspect it's the biggest reason people don't want him as part of the set-up (apart from having no/little experience of course).
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Really? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. To my mind the two things don't really intersect, or at least not to the extent that it would worry me. I suspect the difference between he and a large number of people in football doing similar thing is that he got caught.

I'd love for Giggs to be our manager, but after he's gone away and gotten some experience of being a manager elsewhere. It's very hard to know what, if any input he's had in the last two failed regimes, but it'd just be too generous to overlook the lack of managerial experience and the fact he's been involved in the coaching of the worst period at the club in almost three decades just because he knows the club. Taking that sort of risk just didn't make sense at this moment in time.
 
acnumber9 said:
He has qualifications. The same ones Neville has. And more experience too.
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In principle I agree. Giggs had been in football coaching for the past 3 years without any interruptions. Gaz had been working on an off with England, then he moved to Valencia, stayed there for few months and then he was kicked out. However the devil is in the detail. If Giggs was forced by the club over the manager then I doubt that he really managed to enter LVG's inner circle and his role was purely cerimonial.
 
Ryan is unhappy is he? Boohoo, should out himself lucky he hasn't been sacked after being a part of two failed regimes. The guy is acting like its his given right to just be handed the keys to the place.
 
Are the people who can't bare to look Giggs in the eye equally as scathing about, say George Best, as a matter of interest :confused:
 
Randall Flagg said:
So much hate

Sad that one of our greatest legends is thought of like this by so many of you
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It's not hate, just a statement of facts. It's what he did to his own brother. Do you think he is bright, concise and a decisive sort of bloke? Did you see the documentary showing him as manager for those four games?

What I don't like is his apparent belief that he should be manager, I have yet to hear one single reason what qualifications he, or anyone else bases this on.
 
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