Nato should accept Ukraine within its family. Since its a defensive alliance Its deployment should be that of stopping any foreign army from trespassing into non annexed territory.
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It won't move into annexed territory it doesn't recognize as Russian?
To let Ukraine join NATO and not help it claim back those regions is as good as openly acknowledging they are legally Russian.
It won't move into annexed territory it doesn't recognize as Russian?
To let Ukraine join NATO and not help it claim back those regions is as good as openly acknowledging they are legally Russian.
Nato is a defensive alliance. Ukraine would be joining Nato perfectly aware that 4 of its territories is under Russian control and its up to them to win it back. This compromise would limit Russian operation without Nato actively declaring war on Russia
But it's just not true. Lyman for example is lost and part of the four annexed oblasts.
Gesture of goodwill to celebrate recent annexation.
This sounds insane to me. A complete insult to Ukraine and a mockery of NATO.
A defensive alliance that wouldn't help claim back it's allies land.
Can we now conclude that Ukraine dictates the initiative and Russia is forced to react?
I don’t think they quite understand the way NATO operates, the process and the politics of it all. Ukraine is still years away from joining NATO, even if the war would end today.
Sadly NATO doesn’t operate like Russia, if it did:
Received application on Friday
Review on Monday
Acceptance on Tuesday
Russia kicked out of Ukraine on Thursday
It is a multi-step, long process. And they cannot join while at war. And even if they somehow worked around it, changing protocol etc. Then yeah, Ukraine would simply need to invoke Article 5 and NATO would be forced to act.
This idea of letting them join but not helping with an active war is just absurd.
Still a bit of premature, but it definitely looks like Russia is on the backfoot
NATO's argument is that its a defensive alliance. That means it can't actively engage into war with someone unless its get attacked first. Since Ukraine is engaged into an active war then it can't join NATO as by doing so would mean dragging NATO into war.
I think that there is a workable walk around that. NATO won't engage into war with Russian troops within the Annexed regions but it would stop any Russian troops from pouring into non annexed regions. If Ukraine is able to to liberate let's say Crimea that such region would be incorporated within the NATO agreement.
Such deal would provide a safe haven to Ukrainians within their territory, it will keep Zaporizhzhia power plant safe and it would allow the Ukrainians to focus solely on the annexed regions as the rest would be protected by NATO. The Kremlin would end up in a situation were they have to be very careful on how to plan their attacks as they risk killing NATO soldiers which in turn would give NATO the casus belli they need to start an open war with Russia. Considering that most Russian soldiers are conscripts and that most of their technology is ancient, then such scenario would severely limit the Russian operations.
Putin is popular in Russia because he has a social contract with his people were they allow him to do whatever he wants as long as he doesn't physically drags them into war. How would they react at the thought of sending their own children to war knowing that they might be the first line in a war against the West?
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Absolute gibberish.
About the impossibility of joining NATO at war...
In my opinion Putin's weakness lie with his people. They allow him to do whatever he wants on the condition that he doesn't send their children to war. In fact he's already struggling in selling this 'partial mobilization' against an enemy most Russian people consider as weaker then them. In this scenario the table could shift at any moment. Russian parents would end up sending their kids to war not knowing if they would end up the first line of defence against the Western juggernaut. How would they react to that? We're not talking about WW2 here were the Russians were defending their own country against the biggest bastard in European history. Russia is the aggressor this time round and it can avoid this massacre by just pulling out of the war.
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I have always said: there is nothing better than the voiced truth, albeit bitter, offensive, but the truth. This is the only way to move forward. Therefore, I cannot remain silent about what happened in Krasny Liman.
The defense of this section was led by the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin. The same Lapin, who received the star of the Hero of Russia for the capture of Lisichansk, although de facto he was not there and was not around. Lapin was also given over to the troops of the Western Military District.
The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units on all frontiers of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition. Two weeks ago, Major General Commander of the Akhmat Special Forces, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov, personally reported to me that our fighters could become an easy target. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, about the danger. But the general assured me that he had no doubts about Lapin's leadership talent and did not believe that a retreat was possible in Krasny Liman and its environs.
A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them? Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory.
It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would demote Lapin to a private, deprive him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, send him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.
Army nepotism will not lead to good. In the army it is necessary to appoint as commanders people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times.
We didn't have enough raisins? Even then I said: shoot at the enemy’s military concentration in the Izyum captured by the Nazis, especially since our artillery at that time had such an opportunity. At once they would have finished with the main Satanists and fascists. We must carry out NWO in the full sense of the word, and not flirt. Use every opportunity and every weapon to defend OUR territory. Donetsk is still being shelled. Residents of the joined 4 territories want to be protected.
I don't know what the Russian Defense Ministry reports to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, but in my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons. It is not necessary to take every decision with an eye on the Western American community - it has already said so and done a lot against us.
Yesterday there was a parade in Izyum, today a flag in Liman, and what tomorrow?
Everything would be fine if it weren't so bad.
It's fascinating that the hawks like Kadyrov or Igor Girkin are so on point in their analysis and yet the actual leadership doesn't seem to have a clue.
In other news: There has been a huge explosion at Belbek air field on Crimea. Looks like a plane didn't stop on the runway but crashed and exploded, so likely not a Ukrainian action (though maybe the plane was damaged and for that reason crashed) and I don't know if there has been any more damage than just this one plane. Still a loss is a loss.
Kadyrov would struggle even to read this out loud, let alone to write it 
It's "Izyum wasn't enough?".
Kadyrov is only coming in after something fails to criticize it. I haven't seen much in the way of him actually proposing things in terms of long term strategy at the beginning of the conflict. I personally think he's frustrated that Putin is only using his guys as cannon fodder in Ukraine and to squash unrest in Dagestan.
That's true, but the points about leadership seem to make sense to me. Even if he might not have voiced these concerns before it all went wrong, it still looks like he understands some of the reasons why it went wrong. That's more than I see from most other Russian voices.
It's a non issue, since unilateral annexation of territories by Russia means nothing internationally. Plus, as explained before, joining NATO is a long process. Additionally, the "Russian is fighting a war against the West" is being going on for months so it wouldn't have a different impact with today's scenario of partial mobilization.
Girkin to replace Shoigu till the end of the season?
Girkin for Gerasimov would be one of the few things I actually think would improve the Russian military situation, and if that had happened earlier in the war I am sure we would have seen a much more bloody and gruesome war (and much more success for Russia)
It's easy to be a general after battle, however Kadyrov says nothing about difficulties in other areas? If Lyman was suppliend and reinforced better, would that mean other parts of battle line faltering? Probably. I don't think russia has the resources and logistics to handle such a large front and multiple counter-offensives. As well as trying their own offensive in Bakhmut.
My guess it a lot of orders are coming directly from Putin.
He seems to be involved with Russia because they have been walking away...
With whom? Girkin and Prigozin , that'd be a dynamic duo.
Would be logical if Putin wants to deflect blame for the entire calamatous campaign from him towards his subordinates. It wouldn't matter much in military terms since nothing short of a tactical nuke will stop the Ukrainians at this point.
Would be risky to take those as replacement. I don't think they can be easily controlled by Putin if they get actual power.
About the impossibility of joining NATO at war...
perfectWow...
Whatever Kadyrov is smoking or ingesting, I don't think I would even want to take any of it.
What a joke of a premier/president.
https://realcontextnews.com/russian...a-loses-war-when-and-where-harder-to-predict/
Long but good read on why Ukraine will win.
Long but good read on why Ukraine will win.