Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I suppose Ukraine had a surplus of Russian pow's to tilt the balance, wonder how many were sent the other way.
 
Are we to assume that the majority of Russians support this? Still very difficult to get a sense of the popular feeling around actions being taken. Maybe they aren’t a country of protest?
 
Yeah, this is one of the biggest impacts of today’s mess and possibly even a more important one than the actual mobilization (at least short-term). The current contracted soldiers that were on short-term contracts (usually 3 months and most of them were signed in June) are now there indefinitely and they don’t have an option of nulling them void. And you’d imagine that not many of them would’ve signed a new one after what they’ve seen, especially with colder seasons incoming.

I find it hard to empathize with them but that is a huge blow.
Sounds like a recipe for deserters to be honest.
 
Are we to assume that the majority of Russians support this? Still very difficult to get a sense of the popular feeling around actions being taken. Maybe they aren’t a country of protest?
We’ll see in the upcoming days how the mobilization will affect this, but before that, sadly, yes. There’s a huge part of the public that tries to ignore what’s happening (which still makes then pro-war) and now they’ve been forced to choose; an equally big part that is openly pro-war and a lesser group that stands against it, many of whom (those who had the opportunity) had left the country.
 
Genuinely, how does this end?

Either Putin pulls back and his ‘partial’ victory will be he devastated Ukraine and his population will swallow it or he turns off the gas over a harsh winter and Germany pull away from the alliance and the rest voicing concerns which concludes Putin keeping East Ukraine.

Oh and nuclear war is just rhetoric and scaremongering. Putin ain’t giving up his billions, yachts, daughters and mistress’s to go in the history books.
 
Either Putin pulls back and his ‘partial’ victory will be he devastated Ukraine and his population will swallow it or he turns off the gas over a harsh winter and Germany pull away from the alliance and the rest voicing concerns which concludes Putin keeping East Ukraine.

Oh and nuclear war is just rhetoric and scaremongering. Putin ain’t giving up his billions, yachts, daughters and mistress’s to go in the history books.
You obviously missed the news that he already turned off the gas and nobody cared. He fired his last shot for the economic war against Europe and he failed.
 
Genuinely, how does this end?

To be fair to Putin (hah), he did seem to keep the majority of Azovstal in fairly decent nick, despite thermobombing 55 of them at Olevnika. I gave them all near to no chance of survival after surrendering. It's little things like this, along with his resistance to fully mobilise, that makes me unconvinced that he will ever go nuclear.

The sad thing is that I think a true Ukrainian win (i.e. back to 1992 borders) is very difficult. Liberating Crimea is no easy feat without a navy. But they should be given every chance to claim as much back as much of their own land back before negotiating. It should be them who decides when to stop. And when the conflict is frozen this time, we need to give them security guarantees otherwise it's just a matter of time before invasion no.3 starts.

If Russia wins, Europe will break I think. At least I think there will be a major division within the EU between Eastern and Western Europe.
 
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You obviously missed the news that he already turned off the gas and nobody cared. He fired his last shot for the economic war against Europe and he failed.


Guessing turning it off in the summer is completely different to doing it in the winter.
 
Stroke of military brilliance there. Can’t see anything bad happening by sending anti-war folks to man your trenches.

The problem is that, given the state of Russian materiel, they can't pull the old "grenade accidentally went off" trick around the officers.
 


Some people with knives would make those goons' job a lot more challenging. They're cowards who gang up 2, 3, 4 on 1 against peaceful protestors. They deserve to get shanked with a rusty knife. The problem for the world is that Putin has all of the people likely to fight back physically on his side.
 
Do you know this for sure? I'm still in Moscow 7 months in, recovering, physically & mentally, from an accident where my best friend also got killed, plus my grandparents won't have anyone to look after them if I were to leave; I've been openly opposing Putin, going on protests since before I turned 18, I've protested against the inclusion of Crimea, went on the streets when the war started etc.; I wonder, would you turn me down if I was trying to run away? After all, I've had 7 months to leave and chose not to. Or the majority of people that I was hypothetically crossing the border with did and who cares about the rest.

This logic is also used by Estonian and Finnish border control when they're turning down Ukrainians that fled from the war to Russia (because it was the only way) and stayed there longer than the border control felt was appropriate, which angers me way more than the same treatment that Russians get for obvious reasons. But it's the logic itself that is at fault. Do an interview and don't let the war supporters in, don't fecking shut down the Iron Curtain from outside.

I am sorry for your loss and the circumstances you've found yourself in, but I am also in awe of the courage and resilience you are displaying. Many people must be taking inspiration from you, hope this all ends sooner rather than later.

Hope Putin is taken down from within before things start to escalate.
 
What happened at 18:03 ?

A man in his 50s assaulted him because "he didn't speak Russian". Obviously some nationalistic types do not like English speaking people on the streets. For some, Russia is not fighting their brothers the Ukrainians, Russia is fighting the West.
 
A man in his 50s assaulted him because "he didn't speak Russian". Obviously some nationalistic types do not like English speaking people on the streets. For some, Russia is not fighting their brothers the Ukrainians, Russia is fighting the West.

Yeah, pretty grim stuff to get randomly assaulted on the street during a live stream.
 
Incredible how highly Russia valued Medvedchuk. Russians again going back on their public commitments not to trade Azovstal POWs for him. That will go down badly in Russia:

 
The whole country is going to the gutter pretty fast. Depressing stuff all around. Problem is they're drawing Ukraine to the gutter along with them.
 
Wonder what the feeling in Russia is about the release of Azov PoW.