Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Rajma said:
I’m not sure I follow, how does this changes anything from Ukraine’s perspective now that China joined the calls for a ceasefire?
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It doesn't. China are trying to play on the big boys table it's not really working so far.
 
4D chess move would be if the referendum results turn out to say the republics DONT want to join Russia. Gives Putin his valid withdrawal under the guise of respecting the democratic process, and can still claim his victory of “we went in, denazified and then peacefully withdrew”.

Obviously there is zero chance of any of that happening though.
 
Bepi said:
His so called Anti-Western friends told him to stop this non-sensical war no later than three days ago, China still needs the West (and a sane world) to trade, India is booming and do not want to waste their window, Lavrov just entered the US to attend UN meeting, his pre-recorded call-to-the-nation has been abrutly postponed… mmh, I may well be a fool tomorrow but Mr P seems nearer to being done than us just now.
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He probably felt offended by his buddies in China and India. So, he decided to do the opposite of what they advised him to do.

The whole thing reminds me of Hitler in 1944-45. He knew he lost the war and he was angry at his own people, the Germans that "failed him", the Germans that were not "worthy of him". He continued the war not so much to win, but because he wanted to cause the maximum suffering to others, including the useless and disappointing Germans.

Putin might not be there already, but that's where he is headed.
 
Walrus said:
4D chess move would be if the referendum results turn out to say the republics DONT want to join Russia. Gives Putin his valid withdrawal under the guise of respecting the democratic process, and can still claim his victory of “we went in, denazified and then peacefully withdrew”.

Obviously there is zero chance of any of that happening though.
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Yea, I think the only question regarding the referendums is the percentage in favour of joining Russia. My bet is 99.2%.
 
These protests are pathetic and will die off in a few hours.

Here's what willing to die for freedom looks like:

 
Walrus said:
4D chess move would be if the referendum results turn out to say the republics DONT want to join Russia. Gives Putin his valid withdrawal under the guise of respecting the democratic process, and can still claim his victory of “we went in, denazified and then peacefully withdrew”.

Obviously there is zero chance of any of that happening though.
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I actually heard this very same idea from one of the Russian bloggers!
 
spiriticon said:
These protests are pathetic and will die off in a few hours.

Here's what willing to die for freedom looks like:

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Yeah, people casually watching and filming as police is detaining one of theirs from the crowd…That’s not a solidarity you want to see during such protests…
 
Just mobilize NATO. Putin would crap in his pants and return home
 
So many hardcore rambos in here. I'm sure most have lived in repressive authoritarian regimes and were out in the streets protesting every day, so tall is the horse they sit on when judging random russians.
 
maniak said:
So many hardcore rambos in here. I'm sure most have lived in repressive authoritarian regimes and were out in the streets protesting every day, so tall is the horse they sit on when judging random russians.
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Even those in Iran have bigger balls

 
harms said:
Do you know this for sure? I'm still in Moscow 7 months in, recovering, physically & mentally, from an accident where my best friend also got killed, plus my grandparents won't have anyone to look after them if I were to leave; I've been openly opposing Putin, going on protests since before I turned 18, I've protested against the inclusion of Crimea, went on the streets when the war started etc.; I wonder, would you turn me down if I was trying to run away? After all, I've had 7 months to leave and chose not to. Or the majority of people that I was hypothetically crossing the border with did and who cares about the rest.

This logic is also used by Estonian and Finnish border control when they're turning down Ukrainians that fled from the war to Russia (because it was the only way) and stayed there longer than the border control felt was appropriate, which angers me way more than the same treatment that Russians get for obvious reasons. But it's the logic itself that is at fault. Do an interview and don't let the war supporters in, don't fecking shut down the Iron Curtain from outside.
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I have only one-word of "Respect" for your ideology.
 
Aiden Aslin, the British volunteer captured in Mariupol back in April has supposedly been released along with 9 other international volunteers from USA, Sweden, Croatia and Morocco.
 
Eurotrash said:
Putin may actually want that. Then he has an excuse for losing.
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If that's the case then give him what he wants. I dare to say the West should add secondary sanctions, it should allow Ukraine access into the NATO and it should tell the Russians to either feck off from all of Ukraine or else NATO will go in and do the cleaning up.
 
Mobilization for a war nobody really wants is not a good idea, political suicide. Then there’s Putin’s the nuclear threat. There’s some issues mind in using nukes in Ukraine, mainly alienating its last few ‘Allies’ and the radioactive fall out on Russia itself. And just how strong and equipped is Russia’s nuclear capability in reality? They’ve spent decades talking up their military capabilities and just look what a farce their conventional capabilities have turned out to be. The Yanks, on the other, are hiding their true strength.
I expect that we will see Russia annex a large part of Eastern Ukraine the next few weeks, then the Russians bleeding a hemorrhage fighting a long drawn out guerrilla campaign by the Ukrainian resistance & army. Meanwhile Russia will be significantly and permanently weekend militarily, and will eventually seek for peace and withdraw from Ukraine (thus achieving the polar opposite from what Putin intends to achieve) when the inevitable regime change takes place.
 
Rams said:
I expect that we will see Russia annex a large part of Eastern Ukraine the next few weeks, then the Russians bleeding a hemorrhage fighting a long drawn out guerrilla campaign by the Ukrainian resistance & army. Meanwhile Russia will be significantly and permanently weekend militarily, and will eventually seek for peace and withdraw from Ukraine (thus achieving the polar opposite from what Putin intends to achieve) when the inevitable regime change takes place.
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Russia doesn't seem to have the capability for that, and mobilizing a ton of people won't change that. I'm rather thinking that this ties in with the 'referenda' planned for this weekend (I think it was?), and that Putin will use these 300k people to set up what will amount to a kind a human wall along the areas Russia will certainly claim for itself after the weekend.
 
nimic said:
Gatekeeping anti-state protests, what a fecking world we live in.
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What the Russians are doing are not protests. They are peaceful marches. Fairplay to them for doing it, but it won't do anything except get a few of them beaten up, mobilised and sent to the Ukraine frontline. Sorry.

We saw even bigger protests in February, and they died out to silence and nothing changed.
 
the hea said:
Aiden Aslin, the British volunteer captured in Mariupol back in April has supposedly been released along with 9 other international volunteers from USA, Sweden, Croatia and Morocco.
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Randomly I saw them thanks Mohammad Bin Salman for his role in their release so assume he’s been a neutral go between?
 
maniak said:
So many hardcore rambos in here. I'm sure most have lived in repressive authoritarian regimes and were out in the streets protesting every day, so tall is the horse they sit on when judging random russians.
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Stalin didn't die comfortably in his sleep. I suffocated him.
 
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