Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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It's not about appeasing him, it's about giving him a way out. If he has no way out then the world becomes a much more dangerous place for all of us.
It is unlikely anything will happen other than much stricter sanctions. Nobody will fire a nuke back because they use one in Ukraine.
Russia would lose all support from any allies they have left. They would be a rogue state at that stage shunned by the international community for decades to come.
Nothing different will happen.All that means is they can then draft Russians to the war which makes sense since they’re so short of numbers.
They don’t need pretence to use nukes. The reaction to using them wouldn’t change regardless of what’s said tonight
There's no chance they'd nuke Ukraine. They've already seen the West arm Ukraine, what's to prevent the West from giving Nukes to Ukraine? They can't fire a nuke at the West otherwise that will spark WW3 so there would be no way of stopping Ukraine in that scenario. It's just dick swinging bollocks. "my dad would beat up your dad" shite. It's bully tactics, nothing more.
Ukraine will also simply say that any referendum is a scam and they'd have a good point too given the amount of people that Russia have forcibly moved away from those regions.
They have, repeated strikes in the Belgorod area, as well as strikes on Crimea which is (according to Russia) Russian territory.
It's not even in the power of "the west" to give him a way out. Russia is fighting a war against Ukraine and it is on Ukraine and Russia to decide the terms to end this, not on any other state. Claiming that the West could decide how this war ends is essentially the same arrogance towards Ukraine that Russia has.
In a way yes, the Americans were always going to back down over their missiles in Turkey because they weren't actually essential for their own defence, all Kennedy had to do was find a way to spin it as a victory, but it is different for Putin, for him this is existential.
Sure, but this has always been the case for nuclear war, at least since ICBMs. That doesn't mean the fear of nuclear war during the Cold War was stupid.
Nobody will give Ukraine nuclear weapons. There is zero chance of that happening. The only way the west would respond with a nuke would be if there was a direct nuclear strike on another western nuclear country.
That goes without saying. I’m more than confident saying it, if I get it wrong we will likely be dead anyway.
Looks like they were fishing for the initial response from the west/ukraine and chickened out at the end after seeing that nobody is giving a feck.Thing's aren't going well in the Kremlin?!
Sounds plausible to me. Putin running out of options fast.
We shitting our pants every time Russian politicians or propagandists mention nukes is exactly what they want. It has worked really well for the past few decades but I think it's about time we stand up for ourselves rather than continue being pushovers.
No idea what is going on now
If he uses nukes in Ukraine I think the US will respond, maybe not nuclear but there will be a response and it will have to be something that hurts the Russians. North Korea and China are watching very closely what is happening and if they see that the US do not respond to the use of tactical nukes they will interpret that as a major weakness.
What kind of feint could the speech be? Is he going completely crazy without announcement, or is he getting taken down?
I think you would be disappointed with the US response.
Look what is expected and how the reaction to that would be and then assess the situation based on that.
The world's gotten used to that
US isn't the only ones with Nukes, Russians can't even drive a convoy 30 kilometres.
I don't even think Russian Amy generals would trust a rocket firing from Russia to actually make it out of Russia
Never mind it having a war head in the rocket, they've probably all be sold by some soldiers for potato's.
Its about time someone stuck up to these bullies. Not that long ago they did the same to Georgia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
I don't even think Russian Amy generals would trust a rocket firing from Russia to actually make it out of Russia
Never mind it having a war head in the rocket, they've probably all be sold by some soldiers for potato's.
Its about time someone stuck up to these bullies. Not that long ago they did the same to Georgia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Just let me know if swan lake is on the tv @harms
Yeah, but this just diminishes his own importance.
If Putin wants a way out, he just has to stick a Makarov to his bloated head and do us all a favor.
If we want the most optimistic view, no one has ever even tested their current delivery systems paired with the warheads. Meaning the US has never fired a Trident II loaded with a nuclear warhead, never done it with a Minuteman III, etc. Same goes for the Russians and everyone else really. The very few live fire tests conducted were in the 1960s, with platforms and warhead models no longer in use. Maybe none of it works for anyone!
How in the feck can one man make hundreds and thousands go to war for him.
Is there any chance of a massive collective feck you to Putler?
Is there any chance of a massive collective feck you to Putler?
There is a very nice essay on this topic at the end of War and Peace.
Who is, in your delightful phrase, shitting their pants? Military support has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, and that is pretty widely supported throughout the EU and Nato.
This! Most sensible post in about 500 pages.
The 'out' has always been there. Withdraw troops from Ukraine. His choice not to take it.
I stopped worrying about nukes in March/April. They haven't got the balls to press the button.
Neither would I, but it looks like it's happening. At least partially.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." - Hermann Goering
That is not an option for him unless he can do it under the pretence of some sort of victory. This is an existential crisis for Putin.
Your last sentence is hubris.