VorZakone
What would Kenny G do?
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Treat with caution.
True or not, I'm surprised Russian troops have tolerated being terrorized by the Kadyrov units for so long.
Treat with caution.
Soon Ukraine will have more tanks than Russia if they continue running away and leaving everything behind (or how Russian MoD would say, regrouping).
Why would Kadyrov dare to say this openly?
Lots of chatter about them moving in that direction, through Vuhldehar apparently (?), but I don’t know what to believe just yet…I really hope Ukraine has some power in reserve here. Would be great to see a concerted push towards Mariupol to split the occupation zone into two before the winter, assuming of course that the conflict goes on that long.
Lots of chatter about them moving in that direction, through Vuhldehar apparently (?), but I don’t know what to believe just yet…
He is also distancing himself from the established leadership in Russia by those comments. He is only reporting to Putin, but what happens if Putin is gone? Will Kadyrov stay in the fold or if the Russian/Putin government collapses will he try to finally have Chechnya fully souvereign and independent from Russia? After all the Chechnyan troops are sworn in personally on him and not on Russia/Putin...He did that a lot at the beginning as well. He’s a bit of a loose cannon and he’s only answering to Putin personally (and it’s unlikely that Putin has time to manage him at the moment), plus he’s extremely obsessed with creating this no-nonsense macho public image of himself.
By saying this he distanced himself from the failures on the ground and continues to remind everyone that he has an option to contact Putin directly.
Not bad for a decoy operation.Ukraine has made a decent progress in Kherson too in the past few days even though it was of course overshadowed by the Kharkiv news.
Who knows, really. I doubt that Kadyrov is really interested in independence — Chechen economy is hugely reliant on the financial support from federal government. It’s been the trade-off between Putin and Akhmat Kadyrov (Ramzan’s father) — Putin showers Kadyrov with money and gives him virtually free reign over Chechnya, Kadyrov destroys the internal movement for Chechnya’s (or Ichkeria as they wanted to be called) independence and ensures that the terrorist threat to other Russian regions stops.He is also distancing himself from the established leadership in Russia by those comments. He is only reporting to Putin, but what happens if Putin is gone? Will Kadyrov stay in the fold or if the Russian/Putin government collapses will he try to finally have Chechnya fully souvereign and independent from Russia? After all the Chechnyan troops are sworn in personally on him and not on Russia/Putin...
Forgive my ignorance but all these Chechen soldiers.He is also distancing himself from the established leadership in Russia by those comments. He is only reporting to Putin, but what happens if Putin is gone? Will Kadyrov stay in the fold or if the Russian/Putin government collapses will he try to finally have Chechnya fully souvereign and independent from Russia? After all the Chechnyan troops are sworn in personally on him and not on Russia/Putin...
Maybe, but I think their role is making sure that conscripts die before them. IE they are not so much on the frontline but used as "morale boosters".Forgive my ignorance but all these Chechen soldiers.
Obviously they are being paid but surely there will be a time where they say “feck that I’m not dying in this shitshow “?
Who knows, really. I doubt that Kadyrov is really interested in independence — Chechen economy is hugely reliant on the financial support from federal government. It’s been the trade-off between Putin and Akhmat Kadyrov (Ramzan’s father) — Putin showers Kadyrov with money and gives him virtually free reign over Chechnya, Kadyrov destroys the internal movement for Chechnya’s (or Ichkeria as they wanted to be called) independence and ensures that the terrorist threat to other Russian regions stops.
Without the money from the Russian federal budget Chechnya would be a very poor and still politically insignificant state and Kadyrov’s personal influence would for sure be significantly diminished.
Another scenario where Kadyrov tries to increase his influence over Russia and, say, tries to become Putin’s successor (I doubt that he’s interested in any other role) is also pretty much impossible to imagine if only because of the innate Russian nationalism — Chechnya & chechens were the boogie men of late 90’s-00’s and there’s still a significant dislike-to-hatred for people from Caucasian republics in general Russian population (denazification my ass).
Аrent they more of a blocking force?Forgive my ignorance but all these Chechen soldiers.
Obviously they are being paid but surely there will be a time where they say “feck that I’m not dying in this shitshow “?
Latest map from pro Russian Telgram channel Rybar.
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The issue with Chechnya is that their families are basically held hostage — not literally but if they decide to run away, at the very least they are going to be disowned, at worst their family members can be kidnapped/arrested (sometimes it's hard to spot a difference between the two). Defectors are also going to be in danger for life whenever they flee — if it's in Russia, Chechen policemen can semi-legally steal people even from other regions; if it's somewhere abroad it's obviously much safer but there were still cases of different Chechen defectors (LGBT activists, political activists, women that escaped arranged marriages etc.) getting kidnapped back to Chechnya or even killed (Mamikhan Umarov in Austria, Imran Aliev in France).Forgive my ignorance but all these Chechen soldiers.
Obviously they are being paid but surely there will be a time where they say “feck that I’m not dying in this shitshow “?
Thank you for the reply.The issue with Chechnya is that their families are basically held hostage — not literally but if they decide to run away, at the very least they are going to be disowned, at worst their family members can be kidnapped/arrested (sometimes it's hard to spot a difference between the two). Defectors are also going to be in danger for life whenever they flee — if it's in Russia, Chechen policemen can semi-legally steal people even from other regions; if it's somewhere abroad it's obviously much safer but there were still cases of different Chechen defectors (LGBT activists, political activists, women that escaped arranged marriages etc.) getting kidnapped back to Chechnya or even killed (Mamikhan Umarov in Austria, Imran Aliev in France).
I'm not just speculating btw — there are tons of examples on every "punishment". The latest infamous case was with the Yangulbayev family — the father was a federal judge (already in retirement), his sons were political activists (one was a lawyer working for a non-government organization named the "committee against torture"). In January 2021 the eldest son came public saying that around 40 of his relatives are missing, after a few days police raided his house (outside of Chechnya) under the suspicion of terrorist activity, later that month police raided the father's flat (again, not in Chechnya), letting him go (he still had immunity as a retired judge) but taking his wife back to Chechnya — originally as a "witness" but later as a perpetrator of some insane crimes which included kicking the shit out of multiple policemen while resisting arrest. She's still under arrest. Kadyrov has said, openly, that the entire family are terrorists and they'll place is either in jail or below the ground.
I'm aware of the current situation, but I wonder (and I guess Kadyrow does, too) what will happen to him if Putin is gone? Would a successor keep the current arrangement ongoing, or would he (whoever he would be) see Kadyrov as a risk he should get rid off. If it's the latter I guess it would make sense for Kadyrov to be president of his own insignificant state outside Russian reach (assuming the Russian army gets heavily beaten and generally in trouble) rather than being killed for being a political risk. Bit of a "all-or-nothing" experiment for him.Who knows, really. I doubt that Kadyrov is really interested in independence — Chechen economy is hugely reliant on the financial support from federal government. It’s been the trade-off between Putin and Akhmat Kadyrov (Ramzan’s father) — Putin showers Kadyrov with money and gives him virtually free reign over Chechnya, Kadyrov destroys the internal movement for Chechnya’s (or Ichkeria as they wanted to be called) independence and ensures that the terrorist threat to other Russian regions stops.
Without the money from the Russian federal budget Chechnya would be a very poor and still politically insignificant state and Kadyrov’s personal influence would for sure be significantly diminished.
Another scenario where Kadyrov tries to increase his influence over Russia and, say, tries to become Putin’s successor (I doubt that he’s interested in any other role) is also pretty much impossible to imagine if only because of the innate Russian nationalism — Chechnya & chechens were the boogie men of late 90’s-00’s and there’s still a significant dislike-to-hatred for people from Caucasian republics in general Russian population (denazification my ass).
Terrorising and killing civilians is what they do best so yeah, no surprises. When they have to fight against the army they run like chickens.Blackouts across the Kharkiv region. Russia hitting the power grids putting eastern Ukraine into darkness.
Somehow knew they'd not leave without a sting in the tail.
just heard they've targetted every power plant across ukraine. i thought this would happen in the event that ukraine made any advance. it's where it gets dangerously high alert for eveyone. it's a sign that russia will do things it has not yet done should it find itself on a major defensive.Blackouts across the Kharkiv region. Russia hitting the power grids putting eastern Ukraine into darkness.
Somehow knew they'd not leave without a sting in the tail.
just heard they've targetted every power plant across ukraine. i thought this would happen in the event that ukraine made any advance. it's where it gets dangerously high alert for eveyone. it's a sign that russia will do things it has not yet done should it find itself on a major defensive.
Back to doing war crimes again.
Prove it.
last two lines!
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Did he get banned?
Very smart usage of missiles that cost over $10m each just to cause a few hours of blackouts.