I have no idea. Strangely enough I have never really considered it and therefore read about it. My guess is that it would increase the price of energy globally and some countries will regret not having enough nuclear power plants.
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I have no idea. Strangely enough I have never really considered it and therefore read about it. My guess is that it would increase the price of energy globally and some countries will regret not having enough nuclear power plants.
Europe will need to buy gas from USA for tripled price.
Usa will hugely profit from it. China will profit because they will trade with Russia. Europe and Russia will take a hit. After few months, some Euro countries will say; feck this shit, that is not my war.
I don’t get what Putin gains from this. Unless it was all a bluff that backfired and now this is the only way to back out and save face. I don’t see how him taking Luhansk and Donetsk but pushing the rest of Ukraine even further to the west whilst also being massively sanctioned gets him anywhere.
Yeah I'm of the opinion that he is about to lose his marbles. Big time. He's not there yet but as he gets more power he will surely go mad.
He may start out with Ukraine but if it is clear that the West does not have the ability to stop him, then what is his limit?
It’s about 5% I think but if Russia turn off their pipelines it will put up demand on other sources which will increase the price.
Can’t wait to see what Tuckyo Rose has to say tonight about Putin’s speech.
A journalist on portuguese tv just summed it up nicely, for russian leaders, history is unpredictable.
Likewise, my apologies as well. It’s obviously a very emotive subject and it’s easy to get dragged away from the fact that we could be witnessing 10 of thousands of body bags in the next few weeks. Listening to that Putin speech I was genuinely terrified about what could happen in the near future.
Also, I know there are absolute scumbags that operate in LNR and DNR. Some of their commanders whom have now been killed were war criminals. Givi is one example. I have no illusions about what’s happened in those regions and how Putin exploited that situation.
Gas prices are predominantly a supply and demand market. There have been concerns about supply due to Covid related shutdowns, Russia etc which has already seen EU gas prices rise by 1,000% in 12 months as demand has come back: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas
If 40% of Europe's gas supply goes, the demand on every other source goes through the roof and so does the price. I don't know if there is even enough spare tanker ship capacity in the global market to cart the quantities that would be needed, I doubt it.
IMO he doesn’t need those territories, he could have recognized them and occupied them long time ago, what he really wants is to be in charge of Ukraine course.
But there's no confirmation yet that he'll be 'massively sanctioned'. And so far the first signals coming from Western officials reflect that.
Yeah I’ve just started to delve into that, reading a bit about it the energy agenda. Is there a way that Russia could supply just enough gas to Germany in order to keep Nord Stream 2 project going, or does Putin not rely on it as much as the West think he does?
I don’t quite get how that is the case. When the US ones were announced they specifically said these aren’t the tough sanctions. The second Russian tanks roll across the border there will undoubtedly be huge sanctions.
The original 'Russian homeland' (the Rus, or Ruthenia) in some views comprises of Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine, and that's what Putin is invoking here, to my knowledge. There is no guarantee he wouldn't invoke something else next though; I'm sure there will always be something to justify whatever action he wants to take.
The bigger issue for Putin with the Baltic states, however, is that they're NATO members, and any action against a NATO member is officially an action against all NATO members.
Well NATO is his limit. Article 5 is his limit. He will not attack a NATO state — I’m absolutely sure of this.
Putin appears to have crossed the Rubicon and is probably incentivized to go big at this point, since there's no way he can ever go back to where he was in the international order before all of this happened.
Yeah, agreed on all counts. You touched upon that Baltic states are all NATO and thus it’s a definite no go for him. I mean I blood well hope so.
Yeah but it won’t be in the shit like say Germany?
Ok. You seem very confident he will not test his might past the NATO wall.
I am not that confident. I think, if unchecked, he will try it one day and the West will be forced to push back with military might. That is essentially WW3.
Again no quotes or named sources. Even if what is claimed did happen due to the mixup with the other law coverages, who the feck cares when this ban is in effect today?
Oh dear.
OK, time to remove potential from the thread title now.
I‘m not sure how the market works with contracts etc but many pundits seem to think that Germany will suffer most. If gas prices doubled in the UK again it would be a big problem for a lot of people.
So presumably there are Ukrainian soldiers in parts of DNR & LNR and a decision needs to be urgently made as to whether they fall back out of those regions or they stay and fight?
I would imagine Biden has urged Zelensky to concede the territory?
I would imagine Biden has urged Zelensky to concede the territory?
Imagine China supporting Putin in breakout states claiming independence. Would be peak irony.
We’ll unless he wants a total fecking mutual annihilation only after getting his ass handed in a conventional warfare.
If anybody wants some relief from all of this, The Onion has a cracking timeline of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia
https://www.theonion.com/timeline-of-russia-ukraine-conflict-1848187814
https://www.theonion.com/timeline-of-russia-ukraine-conflict-1848187814
And, officially, here we go...
Taiwan leader coming on TV : China was never a legitimate country.
Aren’t Germany 50% reliant on Russian energy after decommissioning their nuclear power plants?
If he mentioned Lenin I must have missed it. He only refers to Lenin in passing in the article I posted earlier.
You're looking at it the wrong way. China supports Russia reclaiming land that "always" belonged to Russia. It doesn't matter how specious the claims are.
Sadly I don't think it'll matter. If Ukraine are unwilling to provide the flashpoint, it'll just be created.
First signs of people not being satisfied with the sanctions.
They’ll probably retreat to show that they’re not antagonists in this. I mean that’s what I’d do and cede the land to show the rest of the world whom the aggressor is, but we’ll see…
Ukraine controls over 50% of the Donbas area including the city of Mariupol. The chance of them just giving that up and retreating without a fight is very slim.