Zhirinovsky knows nothing and 4 a.m. is a WW2 reference.
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Zhirinovsky knows nothing and 4 a.m. is a WW2 reference.
Damn, does he not tire or something? How long is this speech going?
By the time he ends his speech people would have forgotten what he said in the beginning because of his ranting. 
It is all the US's fault.
He is wrong because his premise doesn’t leave any room for ambiguity. He doesn’t think that Ukraine had existed as a nation before Lenin and that is not true. If he doesn’t leave room for ambiguity, you can’t retroactively expand his argument.
Still it looks like he's not that far off the mark. But even a broken clock is the right twice a day so it's probably just as you say.
So it's ended.
He's mentally gone if he thinks more than 0.5% of the worlds population will buy that. For anyone who couldn't watch it to the end he said they are recognizing the new regions and if Ukraine intervenese (or Russia start a false flag operation, effectively) the blood spilled will be their responsibility.
Sounds like war is coming.
He's mentally gone if he thinks more than 0.5% of the worlds population will buy that. For anyone who couldn't watch it to the end he said they are recognizing the new regions and if Ukraine intervenese (or Russia start a false flag operation, effectively) the blood spilled will be their responsibility.
Sounds like war is coming.
nato imperialism has no bounds.
How good and deep are you at history? Do you speak the languages (Russian or Ukrainian)? Putin is creating a totally alternative history that exists only in his mind.
I don’t believe any of them is any better, but none of them has the power or control that Putin does. It would likely set off a power struggle in the Kremlin between the various factions and oligarchs, which would impede the invasion of Ukraine. It would take some time for any leader to assert control.
There was some genuinely unhinged scary shit towards the end that makes you think he won’t be stopping at Ukraine.
How afraid of covid is this guy that someone has to dead drop the damn folder
Ok, so recognising the two Republics and asking Kiev to suck it or he'll crush them.
Wow
So he’s got his forces pointing a bullet at the head of said regions of Ukraine saying submit or I blow your head off
is that right?
now they’ve submitted and decrees signed for those regions….Russia might cross into those regions essentially crossing the border
So he’s got his forces pointing a bullet at the head of said regions of Ukraine saying submit or I blow your head off
is that right?
now they’ve submitted and decrees signed for those regions….Russia might cross into those regions essentially crossing the border
Surely that's what it has been about ever since people were mentioning NATO? Russia not wanting to allow NATO to gain a permanent foothold in Ukraine. Fundamentally, whatever the outcome it would always be seen as Russia maintaining authority over Ukranian matters insofar as that extends to Russian ideas of security and stability. It would be an easier situation to access if the West had simply stayed out and not spent billions on arming Ukraine. Because of the West's triumphalism in 2014, and rush to arm and equip Ukraine, it is a lot more difficult to absolutely dismiss Russian claims.
I studied Soviet history, but I don't speak the language - I'm of Romanian descent. I'm not listening to Putin's speech so I don't know the exact wording he used, all I'm saying is that there is that modern Ukrainian borders are in some senses a product of Soviet design - as I mentioned, some eastern regions were added under Lenin and Crimea was added by Kruschev in the 1950s. Of course Russia didn't invent Ukraine, I'm not saying that for a moment. I said right from the beginning, Ukraine existed before Lenin and before the USSR. I'm not on Russia's side here.
Not training 20,000 hostile soldiers and a battalion of Nazis (and building strategic naval bases out of opportunism) is also a good option. Pity that wasn't taken and so here we are.You’re a paid Russian troll right?
Not invading countries is the good option.
Time for the CIA to earn their money and off this cnut.
What?
I think he refers to the far-right Azov battalion.
Referring to the West's military involvement in Ukraine post-MAIDEN, including the training of an infamous SS-inspired battalion.
So I take it that the next step is for 'official' Russian troops to head into the two regions?
I was receptive to that and still am, whoever leads Russia shouldn't accept that NATO increases its presence at Russia's borders. But you lose me when you cry about monuments being destroyed or talk about current Russia as if it was still an XVIII century empire.
I would have had more respect if he simply said "get the hell off my lawn!" than the unhinged ramblings he offered.
Listening to Putin tonight, it seems for him this goes far beyond questions of Russian security and stability, and is fundamentally about correcting what he sees as major, trans-historical wrongs.
It’s been a clarifying moment for me anyway. Presented with the spectre of an old imperial power attempting to bully a formerly subjugated territory, I know what side I’m on.
Exactly. Which was apparently primarily trained by Canadian troops which is ironic if you have followed the trucker protest.
I will not be sleeping easy tonight. My body clock will wake me and have my checking Twitter for sure.
The west trained a nazi batallion ?
Monuments? I'm not on about monuments, the only thing of relevance other than Russian hostility is Western involvement in solidifying Ukraine as anti-Russian proxy (the troops, guns, warships, naval bases, and so on). I still think a Russian invasion of Ukraine is both wrong and ill-advised on Russia's behalf, which is where I lose support for Russia if it happens, but other than that there are very legitimate security concerns regardless of Putin.
Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah you will need to provide some sources for that.
Did he (summarizing and paraphrasing here) blame Lenin for being too nice, basically?
Putin was.
Any surprise that Ukraine welcomed allied soldiers after what happened in 2014? They were breaking no treaties. They can do whatever they feck they want within their own country. Russia, if they invade will be breaking treaties.
Russia can talk all they want of stability and border security, but it’s obvious from their behaviour, tonight’s speech being one example that it goes far beyond that. Supporting their imperial ambitions is as despicable as supporting America’s.
Just stop draping your arm across the fence and just say what you really keep hinting at. You at worst don’t think seem to think Ukraine should be an independent country or that the Ukrainian nation is a political construct; at best you don’t believe the Ukrainian people should have any right to self-determination and that they shouldn’t be able to choose to be modern, liberal European country, and that they should be a vassal to Russia whether they like it or not.
You probably have me on ignore, in case not, I've posted it more than a few times in this thread:
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/west...far-right-extremists-in-ukraine-report-682411
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7d...-ukrainian-grandma-being-trained-by-neo-nazis
There's obvious historic reasons for this given the brutal Soviet and then brutal Nazi rule over the same territory. There is also a historic precedent of the west choosing the Nazis over the Soviets once the big war was done (for example, Waffen-SS divisions from the Baltics were not considered part of the SS by the US, the Forest Brothers who were supplied by the west and are widely celebrated freedom fighters today had a heavy SS component. Links for 1 and 2)
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Read up on the Azov and our training of them.
Next step is a referendum from Donbas and Luhgansk to join Russia.