Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion


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They’re probably the best trained guys in Russia.
They have a dedicated special forces school. A lot of guys whom are under Kadyrov are absolute living legends in terms of SOF - like Daniil Martynov et al.

NATO couldn’t deal with Chechnya for instance. Russians couldn’t deal with them. So yeah Chechen could attack any country, if they’re pretty much impregnable.

What are you talking about? Do you know that Chechnya's population is only 1.4 million? They are nothing.
 
What are you talking about? Do you know that Chechnya's population is only 1.4 million? They are nothing.
But all of them are like avengers from MU. Imagine 1.4 million avengers.

It sounded like he was talking about some comic book stuff.
 


A country with allegedly 1300 warplanes including gen 5 stealth jets, has failed to dominate the airspace against a country with 37 MiG-29s and 32 Su-27s. And that's despite the defenders having no long-range/high-altitude SAM missiles like S-400 or Patriot. Their air defences are literally low altitude MANPADS.

They will write books of this level of failure.
 
They don't and never have. Nobody, including Putin and cronies, believes that NATO would ever invade a nuclear-armed Russia. The idea that they might is just a convenient lie peddled by Putin.

This invasion is about crushing a free, independent and democratic Ukraine, lest it provides an example to the Russian people. This is what Putin fears. Everything else is just lies.

I think the time to stop talking about NATO aggression was when the guy who would happily, and frequently has, used the spectre of NATO aggression to his benefit at any opportunity, went on National TV and gave a long rambling evil speech about how Ukraine wasn’t a real country, Russia deserved its glorious empire back, and also Ukrainians were basically Russian anyway… and then promptly Invaded the whole of Ukraine, despite most initial consensus being he was only going into the Donbass.

Any point discussing the merits of NATO’s viable threat to Russia kinda became irrelevant then. To the point that it’s sort of weird people are still so intent on doing so.
 
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I assumed that he meant their effectiveness in a protracted guerilla campaign. Which would have made more sense given their numbers.

He was talking about invading a country. A guerilla campaign in a foreign country is far from the best scenario. And we're not even mentionning what would happen to them before they actually reach the 1st city (unless they infiltrate the area one by one).
 
I think the time to stop talking about NATO aggression was when the guy who would happily, and frequently has, used NATO aggression as an argument to further his agenda, went on National TV and gave a long rambling speech about how Ukraine wasn’t a real country, Russia deserved its glorious empire back, and also Ukrainians were basically Russian anyway… and then promptly Invaded the whole of Ukraine, despite most initial consensus being he was only going into the Donbass.

Any point discussing the merits of NATO’s viable threat to Russia kinda became irrelevant then. To the point that it’s sort of weird people are still so intent on doing so.
Yeah that’s how I feel too. Mentioning NATO is like him having a coherent moment to try and excuse what he’s done. It’s an ill thought power grab
 
A country with allegedly 1300 warplanes including gen 5 stealth jets, has failed to dominate the airspace against a country with 37 MiG-29s and 32 Su-27s. And that's despite the defenders having no long-range/high-altitude SAM missiles like S-400 or Patriot. Their air defences are literally low altitude MANPADS.

They will write books of this level of failure.

This is one of the most confounding parts of all of this. Russian ground forces have the excuse of terrible logistics and poor morale. Russian jets on the other hand, should be able to fly from Russian bases, fire off or drop their munitions, then fly back. The fact that that they don't even have air supremacy is just bizarre.
 
A country with allegedly 1300 warplanes including gen 5 stealth jets, has failed to dominate the airspace against a country with 37 MiG-29s and 32 Su-27s. And that's despite the defenders having no long-range/high-altitude SAM missiles like S-400 or Patriot. Their air defences are literally low altitude MANPADS.

They will write books of this level of failure.

There have been rumours for years that the air force couldn't afford to run itself and their 5th gen aircraft don't really work. Guess there must be truth to it.
 
There have been rumours for years that the air force couldn't afford to run itself and their 5th gen aircraft don't really work. Guess there must be truth to it.
I think the Su-57 does work and seems to be a capable jet. They just don't have many of them. Which seems to be a recurring theme with the Russians, not being able to mass produce their top equipment.
 
Are they bloody serious? That has to be totally illegal.

In a fascist gangster-state the law is whatever the dictator/mafia boss says it is on any given day.

Like Trump said of his followers: "'I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters"
 
cnuts. feck them. Putin deserves to get his dick bitten off by an orca
[Breaking news music] In an unprecedented move that may be viewed as Nato escalation (but more probably emasculation) by the Russians, the Biden administration has agreed to deploy special forces operative Lorena Bobbitt to the Kremlin. In the midst of a multitude of sanctions that are forcing everyday Russians to make cuts to their way of life, Agent Bobbitt has been sent to make a few cuts of her own. Putin may think he is all big and bad with his hypersonic missile, but the US has taken steps to ensure that he is cut down to size. We will update this story as further details emerge. At this point, we can only wonder if Agent Bobbitt will leave anything standing in her wake. Now for the weather report, and it is a little brisk in Siberia these days....I'll get my coat...
 
[Breaking news music] In an unprecedented move that may be viewed as Nato escalation (but more probably emasculation) by the Russians, the Biden administration has agreed to deploy special forces operative Lorena Bobbitt to the Kremlin. In the midst of a multitude of sanctions that are forcing everyday Russians to make cuts to their way of life, Agent Bobbitt has been sent to make a few cuts of her own. Putin may think he is all big and bad with his hypersonic missile, but the US has taken steps to ensure that he is cut down to size. We will update this story as further details emerge. At this point, we can only wonder if Agent Bobbitt will leave anything standing in her wake. Now for the weather report, and it is a little brisk in Siberia these days....I'll get my coat...

:lol: Go Agent
 
[Breaking news music] In an unprecedented move that may be viewed as Nato escalation (but more probably emasculation) by the Russians, the Biden administration has agreed to deploy special forces operative Lorena Bobbitt to the Kremlin. In the midst of a multitude of sanctions that are forcing everyday Russians to make cuts to their way of life, Agent Bobbitt has been sent to make a few cuts of her own. Putin may think he is all big and bad with his hypersonic missile, but the US has taken steps to ensure that he is cut down to size. We will update this story as further details emerge. At this point, we can only wonder if Agent Bobbitt will leave anything standing in her wake. Now for the weather report, and it is a little brisk in Siberia these days....I'll get my coat...
Still can't believe they found her husband's penis on the freeway where she threw it and they put it back on.

Sorry I'll take this to the Geopolitics thread don't mean to derail...
 
Are they bloody serious? That has to be totally illegal.

It is, but it's perfectly consistent with historical Russian/Soviet strategy. They forcibly removed all of the Tatars in Crimea to Siberia During WWII and moved lots of Russians there, which is why it's much more pro-Russian than it used to be.
 

Russia has lost the Ukraine for many generations to come, no matter what’s the outcome. Russians are completely different people mentality wise nowadays compared to even ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. I’ve been saying this from the start but ordinary Russians are as much to blame by enabling the war, fascist regime, and Ukrainian genocide. This brotherly nation bs can finally be put to bed.
 
I’ve been saying this from the start but ordinary Russians are as much to blame by enabling the war, fascist regime, and Ukrainian genocide. This brotherly nation bs can finally be put to bed.

What are the ordinary Russians supposed to do? Their elections are rigged, their opposition parties and voices are completely silenced.

Could you make a similar case and hold all the average US and UK citizens responsible for the instability in the Middle East and Afghanistan? Despite being democratic nations, people of these countries couldn’t do anything to stop their military from bombing these other nations. What/how do you expect citizens of an autocratic country to influence their regime?
 
The military reality says otherwise. Russia does not have enough troops to even encircle the vast perimeter of Kyiv, far less take a city where, in an urban environment, the general rule is that attackers will die at six times the rate of of defenders.
Really?
 
Interesting the US canned it- I guess it has to be so multipurpose to be effective. The cost of these things must be prohibitive for mass rollout across thousands of infantry too you'd imagine too.
Battery technology isn't there yet. We desperately need better batteries in this world, not the least of which to store green energy to make it viable.
 
What are the ordinary Russians supposed to do? Their elections are rigged, their opposition parties and voices are completely silenced.

Could you make a similar case and hold all the average US and UK citizens responsible for the instability in the Middle East and Afghanistan? Despite being democratic nations, people of these countries couldn’t do anything to stop their military from bombing these other nations. What/how do you expect citizens of an autocratic country to influence their regime?

For 20 years Putin has been murdering the opposition. And yet, people were voting for him and he was very popular. He always had a large following and I would bet that, TODAY, the majority of Russians believe that "Putin knows what he is doing". The Russians are responsible for Putin.

(Sure, if he loses or if he is killed, most Russians will say that they never supported him. The same way that after WW2 few Germans said that they supported Hitler.)
 
Any possibility that Putin will lose Belorusia and his cronies there? I think that this war is not very popular with Belarusian people.


"Belarusian railway workers have reportedly cut off all rail connections between their country and Ukraine.

Ukrainian railway chief Olexander Kamyshin thanked Belarusian railway workers for this claimed act of sabotage on Saturday."

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/othe...tedly-cut-connections-live-updates/ar-AAVh3Ar
 
What are the ordinary Russians supposed to do? Their elections are rigged, their opposition parties and voices are completely silenced.

Could you make a similar case and hold all the average US and UK citizens responsible for the instability in the Middle East and Afghanistan? Despite being democratic nations, people of these countries couldn’t do anything to stop their military from bombing these other nations. What/how do you expect citizens of an autocratic country to influence their regime?
Like not going to a fecking fascist gathering in a football stadium just for a day off or a threat of losing your job? That’s the mentality I’m talking about. They might not be actively supporting it but they’re totally OK with it and doing feck all. For example, despite Belarus being an active member in this war due to Lukashenko, literally, everyone inside their country is held hostage (by Putin essentially as Lukashenko falls the minute he steps down) and are against the regime and the war but that’s not the case in Russia, majority of them support it even.
 
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Battery technology isn't there yet. We desperately need better batteries in this world, not the least of which to store green energy to make it viable.
That makes a lot of sense- the battery pack required would probably weigh a tonne and component prices have been soaring.

Like not going to a fecking fascist gathering in a football stadium just for a day off or a threat of losing your job? That’s the mentality I’m talking about. They might not be actively supporting it but they’re totally OK with it and doing feck all. For example, despite Belarus being an active member in this war due to Lukashenko, literally, everyone inside their country is held hostage and are against the regime and the war but that’s not the case in Russia, majority of them support it even.
I'm wary of judging from afar. We have no idea what duress, explicit or otherwise, people were under, plus losing your job might not mean much to you, but could mean young children starving to others.
 
That makes a lot of sense- the battery pack required would probably weigh a tonne and component prices have been soaring.


I'm wary of judging from afar. We have no idea what duress, explicit or otherwise, people were under, plus losing your job might not mean much to you, but could mean young children starving to others.
Not from afar, I had quite a few Russian friends/relatives and since the war they turned full on nazis on my Facebook feed just parroting their TV propaganda. My native language is Russian and I can really feel the sentiment around this on social media platforms at least and believe me it’s not looking good at all.
 
How‘s the Daily Star for credibility?



In case that's a genuine question from a non UK resident, the Daily Star is basically a parody. It's the lowest tier if reliability of all, lots of spoof stories. The attempts at real journalism that it does make tend to be sensationalist, highly embellished and deeply untrue.