Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Raoul said:
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Also randomly parrots the kremlin excuse for the targeting of civilians at the end there, albeit in a roundabout way. Then suggests he thinks Russia is going to do to Kyiv what they did to Mariupul? Huh? They are going to 'double down'? As if they aren't already desperately throwing everything they have at Ukraine?

Weird script this guy was given. I'm betting the idea is to cosy up for now, play both sides a bit, propose a bullshit deal that will look good on paper to the idiots of the world, so they can spin it into all blame on Ukraine, giving Trump 'justification' to unlock the assets, remove the sanctions, etc.
 
africanspur said:
A military collapse where Russian forces are pouring forwards or a trump negotiated settlement with loss of land and a frozen ceasefire?
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As I understood this refers to the first scenario. A frozen war isn't expected to motivate so many people to leave immediately. A scenario where Russia actually gains control over Ukraine however would probably cause a lot of refugees.
 
stefan92 said:
As I understood this refers to the first scenario. A frozen war isn't expected to motivate so many people to leave immediately. A scenario where Russia actually gains control over Ukraine however would probably cause a lot of refugees.
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Ironically this might fire up some leaders in Western Europe more than any Russian threat. The phrase "influx of refugees" makes them more proactive than anything else known to man
 
africanspur said:
What do they mean by collapse here? A military collapse where Russian forces are pouring forwards or a trump negotiated settlement with loss of land and a frozen ceasefire?
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I just take this as an attempt to paint the picture as bleak as possible to get a better reaction.
 
I don't think there is a possibility of Russian forces pouring forward at any moment again now. Might have been in the beginning, now it is impossible. I really don't get where people get such ideas.
 
Part of the long term aim of the EU is to 'move towards ever closer union'. Ultimately this envisages a United States of Europe (incidentally, one of the reasons many in the UK voted for Brexit).
Now it seems very much like Donald Trump may well provide the 'significant moment' required to overcome the initial inertia in Europe and make that 'closer union' objective become a little more clearer, when he effectively tells Europe it has to stand alone, with Ukraine, against Putin, and he takes his 'ball' home with him.
 
Bosnian_fan said:
I don't think there is a possibility of Russian forces pouring forward at any moment again now. Might have been in the beginning, now it is impossible. I really don't get where people get such ideas.
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As @Simbo said this is a scenario mostly aimed at the German right wing Party AfD, which is anti-refugee and pro-Russia. Make them decide which is more important to them basically.
 
Photos being shared online of North Korean Koksan howitzers in Russia. Looks like aside from artillery shells and missiles/rockets NK is also delivering other hardware.
 
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