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This is extremely misguided, almost every country has special forces with vastly more investment and tech than Chechnya, war isn’t about tough guys or fanatics it’s about money. Even ignoring reports they’ve lost huge numbers already against the Ukrainians, if for some random reason Kadyrov attacked a developed European country it wouldn’t even be a contest.
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Well I’m asking myself. I’m also thinking of Russian people as most of them didn’t ask for this and most of these people have been oppressed. Ukraine will become a buffer zone and a failed state, if it wasn’t already— Russia will see to that. Russia will be set back about 50 years in worst case scenario, economically.. but did the Russian people ask for this? No we didn’t. I know my aunt didn’t want this war. She’s didn’t vote for Putin. Another one of my relatives calls Putin Vova’ sarcastically — it’s diminutive. These people didn’t asks for this and if you’re going feel sorry for Ukrainian then also feel sorry for Russians and do something where there is a regime change.
No not like that. Trust me. Read up on these mental people. I’m not saying they’re absolutely naills and the best at what they do. But I’m just going to say that you can’t go into special military in UK for instance.
In which way mate? These guys absolutely withstood Russians and now they’ve actually had people taking key positions in FSB. In fact I’d say Chechens are the most trained guys in Russian military.
Like Daniil Martynov is a bit of a legendary special forces operator - a bit of James Bond type character - and by all accounts he precedes his reputation; what I’m saying is, if guys like that just decide to do their own stuff — Chechens will make isis look like child’s play.
Back on the topic of intelligence failure, I say this will match if not outmatch the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961. In both cases, the government of the invaded country will only gain far more legitimacy while the invader will suffer the biggest foreign policy failure in its history.
I'm not sure Ukraine is a failed state. I think patriotism in the people is now stronger than ever. Russia can put their flag and puppet government up for a short while, but once they leave the Ukranians will just tear the flag down and put the Ukraine flag up again. Just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan. If the people don't want to be changed, they won't. The failed attempt to put democracy in Afghanistan is a great example of this.
No? Feels like a failed state since Kuchma and since he had journalists whacked. Guys after that… Good God.. they tried to arrest each other and then blame Putin only to become chummy with Putin.
Then there is the whole conversations where US are discussing installing Western favourable leader. And also there is Russia absolutely wanting to kill you!
How is that not a flailed state. It’s absolutely torn in geopolitics.
But they are not anymore. They were integrated into the global consumerist world. Now they are cut off, much poorer, utterly disrespected by the West (this for a country that is always complaining about a lack of respect) and have turned Ukraine once and for all against them. Russia never had soft power and now it turns out it doesn’t have much hard power either. This is a humiliation on a scale with the end of WWI or the Crimean War.
Yeah that was all before the Russians decided to move in and decimate their houses and hospitals.
Now there is a clear and common enemy for Ukrainians, and ironically it is caused by Putin.
Maybe they're season ticket holders and always dress the same way for good luck.
Didn't even have to double check actually, I had seen the footage once or twice before.
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They don't and never have. Nobody, including Putin and cronies, believes that NATO would ever invade a nuclear-armed Russia. The idea that they might is just a convenient lie peddled by Putin.
This invasion is about crushing a free, independent and democratic Ukraine, lest it provides an example to the Russian people. This is what Putin fears. Everything else is just lies.
How will they manage to believe that when the Kyiv government will remain in power and the vast majority of Ukraine will remain free of Russian troops? Because whatever happens from here on, it's clear that Russia is simply unable to take Kyiv and unable to bring down the government.
Russia has been successful in portraying itself as the eternal victim. In reality, in modern times it has been attacked twice, in 1812 and 1941. Meanwhile, it has been attacking to the west and south and east almost constantly.
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The military reality says otherwise. Russia does not have enough troops to even encircle the vast perimeter of Kyiv, far less take a city where, in an urban environment, the general rule is that attackers will die at six times the rate of of defenders.
You literally said Khadyrov has an army that could take on any country in Europe.
It's not 1915 anymore, you can have the finest or deadliest troops on the planet, it's almost irrelevant when you're invading a country with high tech bombers, helicopters and missiles and without air superiority. They would get obliterated within 1km into the first NATO country.
But these Chechnyans....I hear they can dodge explosions, breathe fire AND they all look like Anna Kournikova (used to).
Thought the Ukrainians had caused them severe casualties?
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I typically like The Drive’s analysis.
I missed the speech earlier today where Boris Johnson compared the struggle of Ukrainians fighting the Russian invasion to British people voting for Brexit.
How‘s the Daily Star for credibility?
I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. He doesn't believe any of this propaganda, doesn't fit his personality.
The thing is Ukraine will take a decade to even reach the same level they are now. The country will be sent years back economically and even demographically.
Russia will have “no problems” with that as they don’t want Ukraine to be a developed state or reach the standard of some European country. They want it to be weak and dependent just like Belarus.
In terms of how long a puppet govt will stand? Yes, can’t see it standing for even couple of years as Putin pretty much severed all relations with the west of Ukraine and all Ukrainian people that will be still there. He can try to install some separatists in the already captured regions but it will take massive resources to keep controlling this vast area.
I agree with this 100%. A lot of Russians have friends or relatives in Ukraine. Let's not forget that Russia has 145 million people, and Ukraine 45 million people, so there is not a huge difference in population, at least not the same as the size of the two countries. And when Russians look at Ukraine and see that it gets more and more democratic and perhaps is accepted in EU, they will question themselves "why do we have the same old guy as president for 25 years???" That would be a danger for Putin himself, and his cronies, not for Russia.
NATO has never been a factor. It is just silly to talk about NATO in this situation.
Apparently this is an advertisement for the event were seeing (in the first post), before it happened, and this is why they used old footage.
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And once the occupational forces fall, the remaining UA forces from the West will head eastwards again to retake the land. And once Ukraine regains it's independence, I think the Western countries will help to rebuild as much as possible.
Putin has the upper hand on the attack with all his bombs, but when the tide shifts to him defending and occupying he is severely disadvantaged in the sense that he will have less and less money as time passes to 'maintain peace'.