Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Beyond the invasion, the subsequent looting, theft, and random destruction of property have had something to do with ti.

The rule by criminal gangs - kidnapping for ransom, robbery, murder, rape and torture - who now run the eastern areas that were "liberated" by Russia years before this invasion also has something to do with it. Word of this has long since spread across the contested border to any Russian-speaking Ukrainians who might once have been well-disposed towards Russia. They now staunchly oppose Russian "liberation", not least because they know the same gangster-state future awaits them if the invasion succeeds.
 
So are we now saying Russia's top tech is better than the US's, not to mention China?

If true, Americans have been taken for an even bigger ride by their weapons lobby than I thought.
 

This will not deter anything that NATO is doing. And if the Russians think that firing a hypersonic missile is going to stop hundreds of cars, vans and other vehicles from ferrying weapons into the interior of Ukraine each day, then they need think again.
 
This will not deter anything that NATO is doing. And if the Russians think that firing a hypersonic missile is going to stop hundreds of cars and other vehicles from ferrying weapons into the interior of Ukraine each day, then they need think again.

I think the Russians are just looking for something to frame as a win to domestic constituents. Putin has been chest pounding about his hypersonic program being ready for some time, so a successful use of one in an actual war would be something for him to gloat about amidst broader Russian incompetence over the past month.
 
British volunteer fighters are feared to have triggered a deadly airstrike on a Ukrainian military base after their phones were detected in the area, the Telegraph can reveal.

At least 35 people were killed, potentially including three British ex-special forces troops, when 30 Russian cruise missiles pulverised the Yavoriv facility, near the Polish border, on March 13.

The target on the base is believed to have been the International Centre for Peacekeeping and Security, where Ukraine has been training foreign civilian recruits for its international brigade.

Now, the Telegraph has learned that around 12 to 14 phone numbers starting with +44 were visible to surveillance equipment in the area in the hours before the missile strike.

Security sources said mercenaries paid by the Wagner Group, a secretive military company with links to the Kremlin, were suspected of operating on the ground at the time.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...er-fighters-may-have-triggered-deadly-strike/
 
So are we now saying Russia's top tech is better than the US's, not to mention China?

If true, Americans have been taken for an even bigger ride by their weapons lobby than I thought.
It's impressive but for all we know they only have two of them.
 
So I’ve not been posting but I’ve been following: let me get this straight; Russia are going to achieve its political goals and Ukraine are going to concede some of their self determination objectives; after a about 10 thousand deaths between our families? …sounds about right.
 
The story is the Sun quoting the Star, so bullshit squared, but how close to readiness for the battlefield are full-on Iron Man-style suits?

Fears Russia’s deadly ‘Robocop’ exoskeleton suit may be used in Ukraine but armour has one major flaw

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18000760/russia-exoskeleton-suits-armour-ukraine-robocop-iron-man/
I mean, they can’t even get functioning tanks onto the battlefield with fuel and ammo in them….are they really about to unload futuristic full-body power suit stuff
 
So I’ve not been posting but I’ve been following: let me get this straight; Russia are going to achieve its political goals and Ukraine are going to concede some of their self determination objectives; after a about 10 thousand deaths between our families? …sounds about right.
Can a win be a loss?
 
So I’ve not been posting but I’ve been following: let me get this straight; Russia are going to achieve its political goals and Ukraine are going to concede some of their self determination objectives; after a about 10 thousand deaths between our families? …sounds about right.

Are Russia achieving anything apart from creating rubble in Mariupol?
 
Are Russia achieving anything apart from creating rubble in Mariupol?
Of course they are. They have Zelensky admitting that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
As a Slav whom has Russian and Ukrainian blood, this is particularly difficult and I just want this to end now. The fact that we’re going to end up with what Russia asked for, thats a bit fecking bitter. Did all this need to happen?
 
Of course they are. They have Zelensky admitting that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
As a Slav whom has Russian and Ukrainian blood, this is particularly difficult and I just want this to end now. The fact that we’re going to end up with what Russia asked for, thats a bit fecking bitter. Did all this need to happen?

Putin has achieved feck all other than destroying half of the country and getting thousands of his own soldiers shot up. He expected a win in 3 days and is instead on the cusp of being humiliated after the Ukrainians are about to turn the tide.
 
Of course they are. They have Zelensky admitting that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
As a Slav whom has Russian and Ukrainian blood, this is particularly difficult and I just want this to end now. The fact that we’re going to end up with what Russia asked for, thats a bit fecking bitter. Did all this need to happen?

Yes, because Putin wanted it to happen no matter what.

If they only wanted NATO exclusion, they didn't have to attack. NATO were already very reluctant to admit Ukraine before the invasion. Simply stationing 190,000 troops at the border would have done the job.
 
Putin has achieved feck all other than destroying half of the country and getting thousands of his own soldiers shot up. He expected a win in 3 days and is instead on the cusp of being humiliated after the Ukrainians are about to turn the tide.
You actually think that Russians haven’t achieved anything? Common mate…
 
You actually think that Russians haven’t achieved anything? Common mate…

Well what have they achieved?

Has any agreement been reached with Ukraine? No.

Have they captured any major city? No, just a few smaller ones. And even if they do, do they have the necessary economy to support and rebuild these regions that they destroyed?

Have a lot Slavics died because of an idiotic invasion? Yes.
 
Yes, because Putin wanted it to happen no matter what.

If they only wanted NATO exclusion, they didn't have to attack. NATO were already very reluctant to admit Ukraine before the invasion. Simply stationing 190,000 troops at the border would have done the job.
As I was always saying that; Georgia and Ukraine were the red line for Russia.
It’s a perspective thing where Russia feels attacked. Again I’m not condoning Putin and the fact that he ‘ruled’ Russia effectively for the second longest reign after Stalin. I’m just a bit puzzled as to where ‘geopolitics’ got lost..?
 
Well what have they achieved?

Has any agreement been reached with Ukraine? No.

Have they captured any major city? No, just a few smaller ones. And even if they do, do they have the necessary economy to support and rebuild these regions that they destroyed?

Have a lot Slavics died because of an idiotic invasion? Yes.
Of course they will. Russians will absolutely throw soldiers into the meat grinder and eventually Kyiv will be encircled. What do you think will happen then? Russians will get what they want as sad is it is.
 
Which is amazing considering Russia keeps on being the one invading the other countries you’ve listed there.
Absolutely par for the course for primitive societies. Make no mistake - Russians are primitive.
 
Of course they will. Russians will absolutely throw soldiers into the meat grinder and eventually Kyiv will be encircled. What do you think will happen then? Russians will get what they want as sad is it is.

We'll see. Even if they do, it will be hard for them to capture Kyiv. It will take months. They would do better pulling all the troops out and just using the thermobaric bombs to be honest.

But like I said, what is the end game for Putin? Will he have enough money to provide his puppet government so that they can rebuild everything in Russia's image? I doubt it. Putin already has to feed the mouths of Russia, Belarus, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Now we add Ukraine as well?
 
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Of course they will. Russians will absolutely throw soldiers into the meat grinder and eventually Kyiv will be encircled. What do you think will happen then? Russians will get what they want as sad is it is.
Doesn‘t have enough troops of the skill set needed to encircle & take Kyiv. It’s simply a numbers game.
 
Correct me if Im wrong, but NATO does not accept anyone with territorial disputes, so joining NATO wasnt happening anyway unless Ukraine planned on invading Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk or giving them up
 
Ask yourself this - Are Putin and Russia better off today than before the invasion ? There's your answer.
I don’t have to ask myself. I have cousins whom live in Russia. I get the sense of uncertainty right now. They are all very scared mate.
I’m not sure if I came across right but I just said that this has been absolutely fecking senseless. Everyone that has died in this conflict is a victim and pretty much. Most of the people that are fighting don’t want to be fighting their relatives essentially. It’s clear from the recoil from the Russian and people.
 
You actually think that Russians haven’t achieved anything? Common mate…

They've isolated themselves from the west and condemned themselves to being a geopolitical supplicant to China. They've galvanised the EU into becoming an international military superpower. They've galvanised NATO into being a more joined up, serious and focused alliance. They've blown up lots of Ukrainian civilians and buildings at the cost of thousands of Russian lives.

All Putin has achieved is excuses to tighten his authoritarian grip on Russia.
 
Of course they will. Russians will absolutely throw soldiers into the meat grinder and eventually Kyiv will be encircled. What do you think will happen then? Russians will get what they want as sad is it is.

Can't such a siege last years potentially? And it is very difficult to encircle a city lieg Kyev. I read Russia would need to deploy 70,000 to 100,000 soldiers for that and it would still be unclear if the Ukrainians still couldn't smuggle food into the city. And the logistics are a key factor here. For that to work they would have to successfully run a convoy of the size of the one that's currently stuck in the mud every three days. This one is now failing to advance for what, two weeks? Or has it been three already? Not to mention that Russia is already running out of trucks apparently and have to deploy civil vehicles.

And that's not even considering the sanctions. It's questionable if Russia even hs the resources to keep it going long enough. Many reports say they are expected that the Russian econommy will collapse around July if the sanctions are kept up. Putin might need enough military forces in Russia shortly if the protests escalate.
 
Correct me if Im wrong, but NATO does not accept anyone with territorial disputes, so joining NATO wasnt happening anyway unless Ukraine planned on invading Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk or giving them up

There's no territorial dispute in Ukraine. Its simply a matter of a foreign country having invaded it and stolen its land. Crimea and Donbas are broadly recognized as Ukrainian by the global community.

The area that Ukraine would need to improve on for NATO membership is free, fair, and transparent elections, as well as anti-corruption measures, which obviously doesn't happen overnight, especially with Putin fomenting corruption inside Ukraine along the way.
 
We'll see. Even if they do, it will be hard for them to capture Kyiv. It will take months. They would do better pulling all the troops out and just using the thermobaric bombs to be honest.

But like I said, what is the end game for Putin? Will he have enough money to provide his puppet government so that they can rebuild everything in Russia's image? I doubt it.
I think the end game was for Russia to enact a regime change within a few days. A week tops. Everything just points to that because they didn’t prepare to give out massive casualties.

End game for Putin, now is signing some sort of document that will agree that Ukraine act as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. Crimea is officially recognised as Russian territory. LNR and DNR.. I can see Russia conceding those a token gesture. Those areas having a lot of autonomy and pretty much be vassal states.

If i was Zelensky I’d take this deal and run.
 
They've isolated themselves from the west and condemned themselves to being a geopolitical supplicant to China. They've galvanised the EU into becoming an international military superpower. They've galvanised NATO into being a more joined up, serious and focused alliance. They've blown up lots of Ukrainian civilians and buildings at the cost of thousands of Russian lives.

All Putin has achieved is excuses to tighten his authoritarian grip on Russia.
Ive never mentioned that Russians didn’t shoot themselves in the fecking face.
 
I don’t have to ask myself. I have cousins whom live in Russia. I get the sense of uncertainty right now. They are all very scared mate.
I’m not sure if I came across right but I just said that this has been absolutely fecking senseless. Everyone that has died in this conflict is a victim and pretty much. Most of the people that are fighting don’t want to be fighting their relatives essentially. It’s clear from the recoil from the Russian and people.

So you concede that the invasion has gone terribly wrong and Russia is in a worse position internationally, now, than before the invasion ?