Can't remember the West being as united as it is right now in a long time
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For the last two weeks sure. But is it built to last longer than that?
Nothing lasts forever, but it sure is weird timing to claim the western unity breaking before our eyes.
Barring an attack by Russia on a NATO country, the most important thing is to minimise the risk of a nuclear WWWII. Everything else is secondary.
This is why Americans would not be in Ukraine "in seconds" of oil was discovered in Ukraine. It would be a disaster to have NATO forces is direct combat with Russians.
I think many people are living in fantasy land, or else in denial. Unfortunately, we are closer to WWIII now than ever before IMO.
There's already early signs of it. This whole ridiculous 'we'll give them planes as long as it doesn't fly off our base' idea, UK and it's resistance to refugees, EU not joining in on the fuel embargo..
We need to have the same stamina as Putin to stop him. That will cost the average Western citizen loads of money. How long can we hold?
UN admits refugees have faced racism at Ukraine borders
Filippo Grandi, the organisation’s High Commissioner for Refugees, acknowledged this in a statement on Tuesday afternoon.
You have seen reports in the media that there are different treatments – with Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians. Now our observations, and we possibly cannot observe every single post yet – but our observations is that these are not state policies – but there are instances which it has happened,” he said.
“There has been a different treatment (...). There should be absolutely no discrimination between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, Europeans and non-Europeans. Everyone is fleeing from the same risks.”
@TMDaines
https://www.independent.co.uk/world/ukraine-racism-refugees-russia-war-un-b2025771.html?amp
Filippo Grandi, the organisation’s High Commissioner for Refugees, acknowledged this in a statement on Tuesday afternoon.
You have seen reports in the media that there are different treatments – with Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians. Now our observations, and we possibly cannot observe every single post yet – but our observations is that these are not state policies – but there are instances which it has happened,” he said.
“There has been a different treatment (...). There should be absolutely no discrimination between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, Europeans and non-Europeans. Everyone is fleeing from the same risks.”
@TMDaines
https://www.independent.co.uk/world/ukraine-racism-refugees-russia-war-un-b2025771.html?amp
This seems a bit bonkers:
Before Ukraine, yes the west was splitting.
The one thing Putin has succeeded at is uniting the west under one common aim. Whatever rhetoric you are trying to spread is meaningless.
Documentaries about these topics give very little optimism. Pretty much the whole world is in a very tense situation on all fronts. This particular conflict will be going on for quite some time I can't imagine Ukraine will ever give in to Putin demands and Putin won't budge one bit. He also cares far too much about self image to recall the troops.
Not trying to spread any kind of rhetoric. Just saying what I observe.
I've been in support of doing whatever is necessary to stop the madman as quickly as possible. But if we are going to do it non-militarily, we need to stop arguing over stupid things like who is going to take the responsibility for sending planes into Ukraine, and also accept that it will cost us a lot of money whether its through increased fuel prices or taking care of refugees.
It's all a matter of perception
Im just sht scared of the propaganda that comes out of these regimes. We all know the US elections were compromised and God knows what would have happened if Trump was still in charge but what about all the Covid misinformation, Brexit, the rise of fascism in Europe etc. How much of all these tensions are manipulated by these regimes. I know some people in the UK that are now saying this war is all staged and its not true. Idiots! The Russians will be trying everything they can to fk us up now. All they need is a puppet to get elected and we're fkd. And its not just the Russians that are at it. Im all for a free uncontrolled internet but someone needs to get hold of the troll factories and crazies.
I don't know much about them other than they're usually as effective as a chocolate teapot, but why aren't UN Peacekeepers being discussed in the role to protect evacuation corridors.
Nato will not and should not get involved in this.
This Russian ploy was exposed a few weeks ago wasn't it (although I think the predictions were that the Russians would uncover (invent) "evidence" that the Ukrainians were secretly developing nuclear weapons, rather than bio weapons).
The world should not believe a single word the Kremlin says because they are proven liars about everything to do with this war.
But unfortunately I believe China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, N.Korea etc etc will be patting Putin on the back and proclaiming a job well done for ridding this planet of Neo-Nazis and nuclear terrorists.
But unfortunately I believe China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, N.Korea etc etc will be patting Putin on the back and proclaiming a job well done for ridding this planet of Neo-Nazis and nuclear terrorists.
Lying, although he's generally clueless.
Doesn’t really matter, they would just make it up anyway.
America is negotiating with Venezuela as we speak, recognizing Maduro's legitimacy insofar as Maduro is willing to fill the production gap left by Russian sanctions. America is also negotiating with Iran as we speak, the goal being to bring Iran's capacity of 2 million barrels of oil per day back online via the nuclear deal. Iran has actually criticized Russia of late because Russia is trying to assert its position as guarantor of that nuclear negotiation process (thereby potentially threatening Iran's newfound entrance back into America's good graces and the world economy more broadly). North Korea is an irrelevancy, as is Cuba, and China is the biggest trading partner of both the EU and Iran (iirc). So I don't think it's as simple as you'd have it.
Let's see about Venezuela and Iran. I am aware of the negotiations but I don't expect them to just jump into America's (or the West's) arms after years of having their economy repressed.
Apparently Saudi and the UAE are refusing to take Bidens calls.
Clearly they don't want to increase oil production and would much rather sell at extortionate rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...alls-with-biden-amid-fears-of-oil-price-spike
Clearly they don't want to increase oil production and would much rather sell at extortionate rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...alls-with-biden-amid-fears-of-oil-price-spike
I’m somewhat surprised that the Ruble has not crashed past 200 per Pound Sterling yet.
Of course, and they also want to force additional help in their own conflicts. The US needs to remember this for the future.
I think OPEC countries will hold the line, profiteer whilst negociations drag on. It's a win-win. Iran and Venezuala get more from the deals the longer it goes on and the Gulf Arab countries get to sell oil at stupid prices.
Meanwhile Russia feels the pinch, unless it sells oil on the cheap to China.
The Russian central bank still has half of their reserves to prop it up as long as they can.
Time for a message to MBS
A day after Putin said conscripts would never be used.
A day after Putin said conscripts would never be used.
That's also hardly surprising when defending your country, right?
A day after Putin said conscripts would never be used.
Wait, they claimed they are no conscripts in Unraine?
Must have missed it.Yeah, because defending is what they are doing.
I misread the tweet, thought Russia was accusing Ukraine of using conscripts
Can someone explain it to me like I am five? Basically the Russians will continue to buy their own Ruble for less than it is possibly worth using Dollar reserves that they have?
Russia really think the rest of the world is as dumb as their army or some of their supporters back home.
That would be unnecessarily cruel.
A day after Putin said conscripts would never be used.
Regrettably, we've found a few such cases... the wording itself is insane. Oops, we did a baddie.
I wonder if they're going to held Putin accountable for spreading fakes about the military operation. They didn't approve that law for nothing, did they?
I agree NATO shouldn't get involved, I guess I was using the term as a stand in for Western countries, many of which are members.
I can't imagine UN peacekeepers working at this point though, as the conflict is still at its peaks (so far) and would likely mean the peacekeepers would become actively involved in a war, siding against Russian forces. Also peacekeeping missions are decided by the security council, where Russia has veto power. So far any proposed evacuation corridors have been attempts by Russia to pretend they're respecting human rights.
I guess I don't see the nuanced difference. If the planes are leaving Poland and Poland gets attacked why would nato not come to Polands aid. Sending jets to Ukraine isn't Poland attacking Russia. Literally most of the weapons given to Ukraine have entered Ukraine via Poland and Romania.
I guess it's hard to hide when your kid is a conscript and comes home in a body bag.