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The brainwashed segment of Russian society must be confused. What's an Israeli Jewish leader dealing with a Nazi Jewish Ukrainian? Putin the Great is a genius.
Not really. The term Nazi isn't really associated with hating jews in Russia. It much more simply means soneone opposing the Russians. Was the case from the beginning, as the Nazis considered the Russians to be a lesser race (not as extreme as the jews, but still bad enough to let them feel massive racism) and only increased to be used more broadly since then.

The perception that Nazi’s are just killing jews is a western thing, as there was a much bigger difference how most people were treated and how the jews were treated. That difference just wasn't that big in Russia.
 
Good luck having a neutral Ukraine once you have lopped off Crimea and Donbas. Russia wants its cake and to eat it. They want to take Crimea away from Ukraine, make the DNR and LNR puppet states, and then to also still have a Ukraine that is amenable to their meddling. Look at the electorate that will be left if that comes to pass. They'll have created an entirely European-facing, anti-Russia country right on their doorstep. Support for policies of ever greater European integration will be an absolute given... and we will revisit this in a few years time and wonder why Putin is suddenly crowing about the security threat of Ukrainian nationalists on their border.

We'll await the actual details on if it's true and whether it ends up agreed. If Israel are mediating towards that route they'll have done so with US backing.

It's a case of weighing lives against a longer term strategic position, how many victims is acceptable? To achieve what?
Even if what you say is true it's saving lives today whilst Putin might not even be there in a year.
 
What ideology would that be?

Israel is best described as an ethnocratic state, not a democratic one. But inside the ethnocratic system, they have a functioning system with "free" elections, "free" speech, and independent justice, that is more advanced than its counterpart in Ukraine.

Ukraine's flawed democracy is totally different. All the ethnic groups are treated equally. And they are slowly building a real liberal democracy.

I was referring to their ideological and cultural similarities (business, liberal social stances, etc) more with the West in general, rather than a direct comparison with Ukraine. The labelling of Israel as an ethnocracy is probably best levied at their politics in practice, rather than the government systems they have in place - which does follow the parliamentary democracy model.

Whilst there are valid reasons behind your assertions, I do think it's worth noting that the last general election in the country did bring about something new and collaborative in Israel, which has given space to voices and groups that a few years ago you would simply have thought would exist on the periphery of Israeli politics. But equally the lines between ethnocracies and democracies is sadly blurrier than we'd like to think - one can quickly lead to the other, just look at the GOP's attempts to manipulate votes in key states during the last election as an example.
 
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Usual nonsense from the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman but at least she's now saying they would prefer to resolve the conflict by peaceful means.
 
Usual nonsense from the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman but at least she's now saying they would prefer to resolve the conflict by peaceful means.
None of it is sincere. The entire briefing is discussing complete unfounded claims of US-funded chemical weapon labs on Ukrainian soil. They are talking about specific diseases being used such as cholera.

People really need to stop taking selective claims from Russia at face value in a sea of sensationalist crap. This is nothing but escalation from the Russian side.
 
We'll await the actual details on if it's true and whether it ends up agreed. If Israel are mediating towards that route they'll have done so with US backing.

It's a case of weighing lives against a longer term strategic position, how many victims is acceptable? To achieve what?
Even if what you say is true it's saving lives today whilst Putin might not even be there in a year.
And exactly this is where Putin has the upper hand because he flat out doesn't care about lives being lost, in fact he seems more than happy for lives to be lost in the 10s of 1000s if he achieve his aims.
 
None of it is sincere. The entire briefing is discussing complete unfounded claims of US-funded chemical weapon labs on Ukrainian soil. They are talking about specific diseases being used such as cholera.

People really need to stop taking selective claims from Russia at face value in a sea of sensationalist crap. This is nothing but escalation from the Russian side.

Wouldn't actually be that uncommon for a sizeable lab to have cholera. They're obviously spinning bio-research into weaponry. Typical nonsense propaganda.

Hopefully it's them writing a saviour narrative as it could mean they're trying to make up face saving wins.
 
Wouldn't actually be that uncommon for a sizeable lab to have cholera. They're obviously spinning bio-research into weaponry. Typical nonsense propaganda.

Hopefully it's them writing a saviour narrative as it could mean they're trying to make up face saving wins.
It's far more likely they are establishing a pretext to justify using chemical weapons themselves.
 
It's far more likely they are establishing a pretext to justify using chemical weapons themselves.
Russian fabulations and news slants are being coordinated with the Chinese. It's for both domestic audiences, who are trapped in an unfolding 'pushback war against the West' media narrative.
 
Not really. The term Nazi isn't really associated with hating jews in Russia. It much more simply means soneone opposing the Russians. Was the case from the beginning, as the Nazis considered the Russians to be a lesser race (not as extreme as the jews, but still bad enough to let them feel massive racism) and only increased to be used more broadly since then.

The perception that Nazi’s are just killing jews is a western thing, as there was a much bigger difference how most people were treated and how the jews were treated. That difference just wasn't that big in Russia.

Thanks. You learn something new everyday!!
 
That woman on BBC just now asking the Ukrainian guy about where he is getting their weapons from, he said he isn't answering that.

So she goes and asks the same question again using different words, but he is smarter and tells her he isn't answering that question.

It's insane that even the BBC are happy to potentially risk the Ukrainians just to have some kind of story.

It's really a poor show from them.
 
This happened a few days ago. You couldn't post links to the damage at the time here as there were too many bodies.

 
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That woman on BBC just now asking the Ukrainian guy about where he is getting their weapons from, he said he isn't answering that.

So she goes and asks the same question again using different words, but he is smarter and tells her he isn't answering that question.

It's insane that even the BBC are happy to potentially risk the Ukrainians just to have some kind of story.

It's really a poor show from them.
She should be a football journalist
 
That woman on BBC just now asking the Ukrainian guy about where he is getting their weapons from, he said he isn't answering that.

So she goes and asks the same question again using different words, but he is smarter and tells her he isn't answering that question.

It's insane that even the BBC are happy to potentially risk the Ukrainians just to have some kind of story.

It's really a poor show from them.

Well at least the Ukrainian guy knew how to act. And well done to him.
 
you think they don't want democracy because they haven't voted for someone else (which would need to be done democratically)

I am saying not enough people in Russia want democracy, to see it established. As @GlastonSpur pointed out this may well be because, the country does not have a history of democratic government rule, but of 'strong men' ruling Tsars, Stalin, Dictators etc.

I couldn't have wished for a better worded example.
Thank you, many people actually living in democracies don't understand about the democratic process either, how it is established and how it is maintained, and what or who is sacrificed in the establishment of a democracy.

which somehow suggests that the people of a country have the Governments and establishment that they desire and deserve.
Take out the word 'desire', because obviously different people desire different things... and otherwise that statement is essentially correct.

The reality is that in any country the majority of people tend to 'settle' for a governmental system rather than seek to change it, if enough of the population of any country does oppose its governmental system, at some stage it will change. That is not to say Governments themselves don't change, because even in non-democratic governments, there are changes of government, and government personnel, etc... but rarely do governmental systems change, without massive upheavals in the population and/or usually where the very constitution of the country comes under pressure, King John, the Magna Charter etc.

This post is fecking ridiculous.

"You might thinks so...I could not possible comment" ( quote :Francis Urquhart)
 
What's the point of stacking up war crimes against them, when their footsoldiers freely shot a passanger airline, and those responsible haven't been brought to justice 8 years on? You can't just waltz in there and arrest Putin, neither is Russia going to give him up, all you're gonna do is shake a finger at him and say it was bad, but we already have UN for that these days.
 
What's the point of stacking up war crimes against them, when their footsoldiers freely shot a passanger airline, and those responsible haven't been brought to justice 8 years on? You can't just waltz in there and arrest Putin, neither is Russia going to give him up, all you're gonna do is shake a finger at him and say it was bad, but we already have UN for that these days.
Symbolic, I guess?
 
What's the point of stacking up war crimes against them, when their footsoldiers freely shot a passanger airline, and those responsible haven't been brought to justice 8 years on? You can't just waltz in there and arrest Putin, neither is Russia going to give him up, all you're gonna do is shake a finger at him and say it was bad, but we already have UN for that these days.

Well I think it's fair to say the whole of Russia is now unfortunately being punished for these many transgressions. We can only hope that at some point they have had enough and are able to give up the real culprit which is Putin.
 
Russia have now said they have found evidence of Ukraine making Bio Weapons for America and have uncovered evidence due to their special operation.

Putin, the 2022 version of Bush and Blair.
 
Given Biden has tried to get a relationship going with Venezuela again, maybe he'd consider discussing more than just nuclear stuff with Iran if these "allies" won't help? If Iran can see Russia losing its influence in the Middle East and the possibility of selling oil to the west and some/all of their sanctions being lifted then it would have to be very tempting to consider. Probably never happen due to the Israelis and the elites in the US likely being heavily invested in UAE but strategically a power shift like this might be exactly what the Middle East needs.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia have had some problems with the Biden administration, they feel like they aren't being backed as promised since the attempted attacks by the Houthi rebels (who are backed by Iran) in Abu Dhabi and Riyadh. Biden has pulled support for the war on Yemen, also, MBS is being prosecuted in the US over the Khashoggi murder. If what you're suggesting is true it would be a complete 360 in terms of foreign policy by the US in the Middle East so I highly doubt it, would undo all of the US's relationship building over the last 15-20 years.
 
Russia have now said they have found evidence of Ukraine making Bio Weapons for America and have uncovered evidence due to their special operation.

Putin, the 2022 version of Bush and Blair.
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.
 
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.

Gotta love Putin and his brainwashing attempts.

The guy is desperate, paranoid and insane x1million
 
Russia have now said they have found evidence of Ukraine making Bio Weapons for America and have uncovered evidence due to their special operation.

Putin, the 2022 version of Bush and Blair.
At least they invaded and illegally killed people AFTER they made up shit and lied to their respective countries.

A muppet and a puppet.
 
Ukraine are playing this wrong.

They Need to suddenly find oil and the Americans will be in there in seconds.

It's crazy how America are refusing to supply Ukraine with Jets.

I suspect America would be happy to let Putin have Ukraine at the end of the day.

America a) don't have enough money or resources for wasting on Ukraine.

B) America are probably prepping for a greater encounter in 10 years time and this war is perhaps very untimely to their future plans.
 
The UAE and Saudi Arabia have had some problems with the Biden administration, they feel like they aren't being backed as promised since the attempted attacks by the Houthi rebels (who are backed by Iran) in Abu Dhabi and Riyadh. Biden has pulled support for the war on Yemen, also, MBS is being prosecuted in the US over the Khashoggi murder. If what you're suggesting is true it would be a complete 360 in terms of foreign policy by the US in the Middle East so I highly doubt it, would undo all of the US's relationship building over the last 15-20 years.

Sorry to be pedantic but do you mean a 180? A complete 360 would just be a circle and leave you facing the same way.
 
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.

To be fair there is no way that they could have ever known Russia would one day invade and find them.
 
What's the point of stacking up war crimes against them, when their footsoldiers freely shot a passanger airline, and those responsible haven't been brought to justice 8 years on? You can't just waltz in there and arrest Putin, neither is Russia going to give him up, all you're gonna do is shake a finger at him and say it was bad, but we already have UN for that these days.

Because war crimes seem to have been committed.
 
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.

You'd be amazed at how gullible some are.

Amazed I'd tell you. There's alot of people here in indonesia rooting for putin because he's a proper christian against the corrupt christianity that is west.
 
Of all the places the US would decide to secretly create Bio-weapons…right next to Russia in a country with deep Russian ties, multiple contested borders and which has been invaded by Russia recently. Adds up.
In this age of misinformation, half the world's population will totally buy Putin's claim. Works better than the claim that the Ukranian's are Nazi's.
 
They Need to suddenly find oil and the Americans will be in there in seconds.

It's crazy how America are refusing to supply Ukraine with Jets.
They’ve got 1 trillion cubic meters of proven natural gas reserves. That not enough for European nations to provide them with jets?