Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I don't think anyone would've predicted Russia would perform this poorly though. It has made me worry much more about any potential conventional war against Russia since it seems Putin would feel his regime was threatened very quickly.

I think its down to terrible training and preparation, in combination with the deception (troops were told they were on an exercise, not about to invade) and subsequent lack of morale to attack a nation containing friends and relatives.
 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.

Sanctions have impacted Russia heavily and will continue to do so. You cannot diversify an economy away from Russian oil and gas overnight, but states are starting to take measures to do so.

Hilarious is probably not the word I would use.
 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.

If I give you one apple but grab two apples on the side then I have taken an apple from you.
 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.
Ask @harms how hilarious it is only a week or so in.
 
and subsequent lack of morale to attack a nation containing friends and relatives.

If I had to guess that would be my suggestion.
If you are defending your country, your way of life then you fight to the bitter end.
If you don’t really agree with it (the war) in the first place you aren’t going to have that innate will to succeed.
I have never been in that position thankfully but if my life was on the line I’d be far more willing to give it up if I thought it would mean something than if I thought it was a shit idea from the get go.
 
Would you want your business associated with Russia right now, whether because of the regime being incompatible with the most basic values of your company, or because of the negative press associated with being one of the last outliers operating out there, or because the safety of your staff is actually put in jeopardy by just operating normally?

Companies are still dropping out for all three reasons,

i mean I get it, but I wonder if some of them would've done so if others hadn't started the trend.
 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.

 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.
Absolutely hilarious. Why didn't the European nations burry some more oil in their countries, instead of Russia.

:wenger: :wenger: :wenger: reasoning.
 
Feels like companies are now just following a trend by suspending sales/services in Russia. One or two started a trend and others decided to do the same or face some kind of backlash.
Cynical part of me thinks it is often not dictated by wanting to take a stance against the war but rather low profitability and volatility driven by currency issues.
 
Cynical part of me thinks it is often not dictated by wanting to take a stance against the war but rather low profitability and volatility driven by currency issues.
Yeah I'm leaning that way with some of them as well.
 
i mean I get it, but I wonder if some of them would've done so if others hadn't started the trend.
Sure, but an exodus is always going to be staggered. It’s incredible how quick things have moved really. The invasion hadn’t even commenced two weeks ago.
 
I find it hilarious how sanctions are supposed to severely punish Russia meanwhile the west is fueling their war through oil and gas exports. They might as well sit and fold their arms for all it's worth.

This is not true at all.

Buying Russian oil and gas was happening anyway (it hasn't been added on), but the sanctions are new and represent a huge hit on Russia's economy. The result: huge net damage to Russia's economy.

The ruble has fallen through the floor, inflation will soon be rampant, unemployment will sky-rocket, Russian GDP will shrink massively. In 6 months from now Russia will be an economic basket-case.
 
Sure, but an exodus is always going to be staggered. It’s incredible how quick things have moved really. The invasion hadn’t even commenced two weeks ago.
True. I'm even more impressed that Russian forces still haven't taken Kiev. It felt like they were heavily shelling the outskirts of the capital on day two maybe? I can't remember when it was exactly but there was a CNN reporter putting body armor on.
 
If I had to guess that would be my suggestion.
If you are defending your country, your way of life then you fight to the bitter end.
If you don’t really agree with it (the war) in the first place you aren’t going to have that innate will to succeed.
I have never been in that position thankfully but if my life was on the line I’d be far more willing to give it up if I thought it would mean something than if I thought it was a shit idea from the get go.

Add to this the fact that Russian soldiers are conscripts with little interest in fighting in the first place, who are then probably underpaid and mistreated in a variety of ways, and its not particularly hard to see why they may underperform, abandon their vehicles, surrender etc.
 
Given the impending need to pivot from Russian gas, I would like to see the US, Europe, etc. start the process of building LNG container ships and processing facilities much more urgently than Scholz' prediction of a LNG facility being ready in a couple years. And start figuring out how to build more ships capable of installing wind turbines.
 
Cynical part of me thinks it is often not dictated by wanting to take a stance against the war but rather low profitability and volatility driven by currency issues.

Probably not that, they are just realizing that staying in Russia will have a significant impact on their reputation.
 
Given the impending need to pivot from Russian gas, I would like to see the US, Europe, etc. start the process of building LNG container ships and processing facilities much more urgently than Scholz' prediction of a LNG facility being ready in a couple years. And start figuring out how to build more ships capable of installing wind turbines.

Agreed. LNG transport and de/re gassification terminals should be priority #1.
 
Add to this the fact that Russian soldiers are conscripts with little interest in fighting in the first place, who are then probably underpaid and mistreated in a variety of ways, and its not particularly hard to see why they may underperform, abandon their vehicles, surrender etc.

Getting basic rations that are 7 years old isn’t going to help you thinking that mother Russia cares about you that much either.
In that situation it’s entirely understandable that lots of soldiers half arse it. Would you really put yourself majorly in harms way when it’s clearly bollocks to begin with?
Had Ukraine been the aggressor and these Russian lads were fighting for their families and their homes the situation would be reversed I’m sure .
 
Agreed. LNG transport and de/re gassification terminals should be priority #1.

Surely all the shipyards that won't be building new yachts for Russian oligarchs will have some free time. The US should also amend the Jones Act, which creates problems for us in this area.
 
Given the impending need to pivot from Russian gas, I would like to see the US, Europe, etc. start the process of building LNG container ships and processing facilities much more urgently than Scholz' prediction of a LNG facility being ready in a couple years. And start figuring out how to build more ships capable of installing wind turbines.


Sines port has a very big storage capacity and facilities to process LNG, now just needs a pipeline through Pyrenees
 


Full statement on the planes. They need to be transported by road across the border. Starting to think this is all smoke and mirrors and they’ve already started doing just that - it’s a bit bizarre to publicly announce exactly where you’re parking them and let the world know ahead of time what’s happening and how.
 
They might want more ”military advisers” from the Pentagon to help slaughter the Yemenis.
The Iranian nuclear deal is ongoing in the background with Qatar also mediating between the Saudis and the Iranians.
 
FFS all this bureaucratic tiptoe-ing around eggshells while Russia blows civilians to shit is really grating.

We may as well build a NATO museum on the Eastern front and put these planes on show, so that the refugees can at least touch them and admire their shiny-ness while their families get annihilated.
 
Probably not that, they are just realizing that staying in Russia will have a significant impact on their reputation.
That will also be a factor but ultimately if you don’t really have any significant profit to protect, the decision is very easy. The company I work for (US based) have not made a decision to pull out of Russia and at current FX there is no way we can have positive margins there which makes it even weirder.
 
Full statement on the planes. They need to be transported by road across the border. Starting to think this is all smoke and mirrors and they’ve already started doing just that - it’s a bit bizarre to publicly announce exactly where you’re parking them and let the world know ahead of time what’s happening and how.
It makes me think there must have been a genuine communication breakdown that made Poland say: "Fine, you want our jets involved without it being a NATO mission, here you go, you do it."
 


Full statement on the planes. They need to be transported by road across the border. Starting to think this is all smoke and mirrors and they’ve already started doing just that - it’s a bit bizarre to publicly announce exactly where you’re parking them and let the world know ahead of time what’s happening and how.


I think it is a safe bet that clandestine arms transfers to Ukraine are going on, just like happened during the Cold War. Whether that involves planes I'm not sure.
 


Full statement on the planes. They need to be transported by road across the border. Starting to think this is all smoke and mirrors and they’ve already started doing just that - it’s a bit bizarre to publicly announce exactly where you’re parking them and let the world know ahead of time what’s happening and how.

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