Blimey, the translator for the Russian ambassador at the UN is speaking at 1,000mph
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Denazification? Does Putin realise Zelensky is Jewish.
Russian access to Ukrainian chicken eggs would be a game changer.
Well said.
Was a bit strong...I'll admit.
It's obviously about this and control over Ukraine, has feck all to do with nazi's or crimea etc etc like he's claiming.
Very well said. Some seriously strange takes in this thread.
Any updates in Vlad's health? I recall a few murmors that this was all about his final hurrah, but not heard much since.
If I was a Ukrainian citizen reading this, I would be spitting blood right now. It is quite obvious that Ukraine is fighting for something they believe in deeply, and it's equally obvious that the Russians are not. Spare us your moral relativism.
Again, what an ignorant remark. Quite apart from formal global propaganda outlets like RT, they have content farms astroturfing social media and have had for years. Everyone knows this.
You are right about UK-Russian corruption and it shames the hell out of us. That has to stop. But at the end of the day, proxy war is just meaningless. What is actually happening is Europe has been as much inspired (and maybe shamed) by seeing Ukraine remind us what European democratic values are - as much as threatened by Putin, and that is what all the backing is in part about. I want to see Ukraine come through because they quite obviously share Western democratic values and they should therefore be encouraged.
I'm not sure what point you are making other than a cynical one. It's just another variant of everyone is compromised so nobody should do anything. Great for Putin.
It can be denied. This is not something "the West" forced on Putin. We did not invite Ukraine into NATO or the EU. We encouraged a young democracy but not really very substantively, arguably to our shame. This is a war of choice against a country that did not want to bend to Putin's will.
Weasel words. I hope Russia is defeated. I hope Putin is kicked from power. I hope a new Russian regime can emerge that doesn't threaten its neighbours and steal from its people. I hope a democratic Ukraine can one day be welcomed into alliances of other democratic nations (and Russia too). I hope China realises that invading Taiwan would likely provoke a similar reaction and it deterred from doing so. I hope Ukraine becomes free to choose its own future. And I hope the cynics and moral relativists learn to take a little inspiration, even in an imperfect world.
So basically, Patel the Home Sec, sat in Parliament (refusing to issue a statement) and at 3.30pm just as Liz Truss was scheduled to make an update, she basically revealed that the UK would provide additional support, however, still with many many conditions, limiting who can actually receive help (therefore the 100k number is not necessarily true, as they are all subjected to Visa requirements)
But by doing this statement, the way she did, it meant, that opposition questions were limited and she avoided basically facing unpopular and genuine questions, she would have to answer.
But it's not doing that is it. All members of NATO expressly wished to join it (they weren't cajoled like Warsaw Pact countries were). Secondly, it's not a political union, but a mutually beneficial defence treaty, so again nothing like Soviet expansion.
NATO is not the issue, nor has ever been the issue here. It's convenient excuse for someone like Putin to advance his aim of making Russia on par with the US and China. Similar, in my opinion, to Israel constantly highlighting Iran as a threat in order to have reason to beef up its army/grab more land. If NATO didn't exist, Putin would use something else for a pretext to advance into Ukraine.
This is not a defence of NATO, I think the neocon misadventures of the 21st century have so much to answer for before we even go into the sheer level of death stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan caused. But all Putin has done is highlighted the binary choice between being a member of NATO or being subjugated by the Russians for those on Russia's border. Ironically, he's pushed countries westwards and there will now be generations of Ukrainians who hate Russians. He has really fecked this up.
Try this one mate, thank me later.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/geopolitics-too-whataboutery-for-other-threads.469141/
Did anyone just see the speech by the Ukranian representative at the United Nations? Was a mic drop moment.
Watching it and now the Russian Presidents bullsh*t blaming Ukraine and still denying an invasion.
Apparently Ukraines are using civilians as shields and attacking there own people he is saying
Is anything of what this bald douche is saying about the state of Ukraine true? It’s just a long rant of various vile accusations.
I dont have a clue about how things have been in Ukraine for the past 8 years.
Any sustainable deal would have to involve Putin removed from power, as he has clearly shown that he is completely untrustworthy. I very much doubt this will happen.
Good post!
Copied right out of the Israel playbook.
I get it, nobody likes seeing a lone country battling against an invading power. But it is what it is, unless we all collectively agree that we want NATO-nations to intervene and we accept the risks involved.
I'm latvian, so I can draw parralels with my country in this. We've got huge minority of russians and have been under their thumb for large part of the history, should we split our country in two so they can stop being repressed or just become Russia as it has claim to the land? What you suggest is ripping up a sovereign countries constitution of territorial integrity, that Russia itself had agreed to respect under Budapest agreement. Just because Crimea was transfered relatively recently, doesn't make it any less ukrainian. How do you figure someone else has more claim on other countries land, than the country that has it right now? Borders were drawn every other year centuries ago, now we've got internationally accepted constitutions, that accept other country within its current borders, I'll repeat myself, under Budapest agreement, Russia agrees that Crimea is ukrainian.
Silly argument, but within the lines of suggesting that a sovereign country should split itself up.
At the request of the Ukrainian government, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has spoken to his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, the Élysée Palace has said in a statement:
With ceasefire talks between Kyiv and Moscow under way on the Belarus border, Macron also asked Putin to ensure that for the duration of the negotiations all strikes and attacks on civilians and their homes would be halted, civilian infrastructure would be preserved, and all main roads – particularly the road south out of Kyiv – would remain safe to use.
Putin “confirmed his willingness to commit to all three points”, the Élysée statement said.
Macron also called on Putin to ensure international humanitarian law was respected and civilian populations and aid transports protected, and asked the Russian president to “stay in touch over the coming days to avoid the situation worsening”.
With ceasefire talks between Kyiv and Moscow under way on the Belarus border, Macron also asked Putin to ensure that for the duration of the negotiations all strikes and attacks on civilians and their homes would be halted, civilian infrastructure would be preserved, and all main roads – particularly the road south out of Kyiv – would remain safe to use.
Putin “confirmed his willingness to commit to all three points”, the Élysée statement said.
Macron also called on Putin to ensure international humanitarian law was respected and civilian populations and aid transports protected, and asked the Russian president to “stay in touch over the coming days to avoid the situation worsening”.
Very wise targetting tactical AA
I actually think a nuke being dropped this year is a strong possibilty. Putin has miscalcualted himself into a corner and obviously isn't in a right state of mind.
Russian economy is being artificially propped up and the effect of some sanctions are yet to hit. The timers already begun for a military coup. He needs to end this quickly or back down. Neither of which seems likely at present, unless he's happy to settle with Donbas and Luhansk and sell a story of liberation to the Russin public to mend his ego.
Even if they take Kyiv, they've just signed themselves up for a decade of US backed insurgency.
Russian economy is being artificially propped up and the effect of some sanctions are yet to hit. The timers already begun for a military coup. He needs to end this quickly or back down. Neither of which seems likely at present, unless he's happy to settle with Donbas and Luhansk and sell a story of liberation to the Russin public to mend his ego.
Even if they take Kyiv, they've just signed themselves up for a decade of US backed insurgency.
They can keep their cheese though.
It's laughable really, I don't think she's ever taken a decision that wasn't highly contested or didn't raise more questions than give answers.
Nothings black and white. The only thing everyone can agree on that the war is wrong. I mean those people in Donbas and Crimea who are Russian were settled by the Soviet union after ethnic cleansing of these regions. The tartars of Crimea suffered greatly during this period. I'm sure many other ethnic groups did to. That policy was behind a lot of the ethnic violence in Eastern Europe and Near Asia after the fall of the Soviet Union.
If you ask Putin he's got some ancient map that claims Lenin gave away too much of Russia to Ukraine... where does it stop? Original sin? Adam and Eve?
I think a lot of people in the west just don't like to hear that their governments are considered just as bad as Putin by a lot of the world. It's not a competition. I think a long series of mistakes has led us to this point and dwelling on them doesn't help, neither does whitewashing them.
Germany: You have my helmet
I can understand neutrality demands but what is this constant de-nazification non sense?
I just can't get this.
The innocent Ukrainians are dying because they are fighting someone who wants to steal their country and end their self determination. We are backing them because they want our help.
FFS.
Just means he isn't ready to take peace talks seriously yet.
I am sure that Putin had predicted this in his 3D chess, but it was a surprise for me! Swiss banks will follow the same EU rules for Russian money!... Hard to believe, but I hope it is true!
Switzerland will forego "Swiss neutrality" and adopt same sanctions as EU against Russia
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-28-22/h_f8b3aa0b0e6c885286e93f1e47494e55
Switzerland will forego "Swiss neutrality" and adopt same sanctions as EU against Russia
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-28-22/h_f8b3aa0b0e6c885286e93f1e47494e55
I think in part an attempt to rouse patriotism by comparing Ukraine to the Nazi invasion in 1941, and a clear move to delegitimate Ukraine's leadership, so that only a Russian puppet Government is seen as acceptable.
Someone's finally had a word with the Swiss. Money laundering in the name of Neutrality. Twats
It's bs. It's something that doesn't exist and Putin knows it, so it's a way to say negotiations didn't work because Ukraine didn't want to stop being Nazis. Even though Putin has groups of mercs that use Nazi signage heading to Ukraine to fight, and some of those proud boy idiots
Probably the US. They can toy with Switzerland as they like. The EU not so much.
Good read here, explain why Russia invade Ukraine, and helps understand the whole situation and motives behind the invasion.