Dunno if this has been posted before, but this is from the crowd at the hockey match between Leksands IF and Lulea HF in Sweden yesterday.
Legends.
Legends.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Lying on his CV?
They're loving it probably. I'm sure they expected russians to put more of a fight, have Ukraine by now and start dividing NATO apart, but doubt they'll abject to seeing Russia make a mess of this. Maybe they'll start border skirmishes with them soon too?
Option2, cant see full scalenatgack as nonwinnwrs and would anyone oneybghat order anyway?
May feel cornered and use tacticL nukes in Ukraine but that would not be in his interest really. His bargaining chips are weaker than he had hoped but split Ukraine maybe way out for now
Surrounding a city and taking a city are two different things in the short term.
This. I'm sure there are checkpoints in place in case he ever decides to use the nuclear option. Either a oligarchs or spy or general that didn't agree to taking it that far would probably put a bullet in Putins head
Shreveport - Bossier, where I once lived, is more worrisome, since it's home to the 8th Air Force Tactical B-52 Bomber Bomber Wing "Thunder From Above", and an integral part of US nuclear deterrence. As I mentioned in my previous post, it's highly unlikely Putin would initiate any first strike against any NATO targets, this deterrence stuff is a tactic to warn off additional military or humanitarian aid, further NATO deployments to the Baltics and Eastern Europe, and he's probably really not happy about the sanctions.
And again, there are sort of 5 levels of deployments of nuclear weapons, as I understand it.
1) Tactical Deployment against non-NATO or non-Russian aligned targets. Ukraine, unfortunately falls into this category, but again what's the point? Putin would lose everything he wants if he used these weapons against Ukraine.
2) Tactical Maritime: This would be hitting a naval combat groups or submarine(s) to disable or destroy them. Since it's in the ocean, it's basically considered legitimate military targets and the response would need to be appropriate. However, naval combat groups and subs are part of strategic deterrence and there would be both reciprocal conventional and tactical responses on both sides that would escalate.
3) Tactical Legitimate military targets outside the mainland: So NATO bases and forces outside the US, UK and France (like Poland, Estonia, etc.) or Russian forces outside mainland Russia (Kaliningrad, Belarus, Syria)
4) Strategic military targets on the Mainland - NATO submarine bases, military installations, and air force bases in the US, UK and France or mainland Russia. This would most likely result in massive civilian losses.
5) Strategic decapitation and total war strikes: Launching strikes against targets to decapitate the command and control structures and eliminate political leadership (Washington, London, Paris, Canberra, Moscow) and major population centers that are non-military targets (Chicago, New York City, St. Petersburg, and apparently according to some of you, Maidenhead and Slough, etc.)
The point: There is no absolutely way he will use nukes, nor will we. The Russians will ensure he just disappears in the night, and never be seen again, rather than be allowed to make that call. There's no way we do it first, unless we are convinced that he's completely irrational and have hard intelligence that proves he's seriously considering it.
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If Putin was left with two choices, either concede victory to Ukraine or nuclear armageddon, which would he choose? I tell you know, he'd go with the latter.
Yes, but this time, all equipment being sent is from a request list from Ukraine. They need body armor, helmets, field medicine equipment etc too, I would not like running around without in jeans and a caps fighting a war. And now other nations can supply with Nasams systems bought from Kongsberg if they want. And they did say we will propably send other stuff too, but we are not so well supplied ourselves so it is limited what we can supply. Also money, humanitarian aid, help with refugees. I would change the law and supply Nasams, javelins and M-72's but we will see. Maybe they will change it.
I don’t see Russian forces razing Kyiv. It’s a pretty important city for Russian identity. Hard to go with the liberation and puppet state narrative with a destroyed Kyiv, but who knows?
I think it's clear by now that Putin is acting alone.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.
More EU aid:
According to the Caf, Putin is scared to death of catching covid so I doubt he wants to actually die which he most certainly would if he used his nukes. The generals or whoever in the chain of command almost certainly do not want to die and their friends and family to perish.
Kiev was under foreign government control...
Had to be done to free Ukraine from the neo nazi drug addicts undertaking NATO's agenda.
Move the capital back to Kaliningrad?
As the state media will push whatever narrative they want and they will kill or imprison anybody who questions it I think they probably don't care about spinning a new narrative if needed
How about you drop the bottle, Steve?
Right now, all Russian national teams should outright be disqualified from all competitions until further notice. That is the only way to go.
By this, I take it that you are living in Kyiv or another place in Ukraine?
The EU has agreed unanimously amongst all member countries to take in Ukrainian refugees for up to three years without asking them to first apply for asylum, the German interior minister says.
There is only one reason why you would have tanks, artillery and thermobaric weapons at a city fight. You are not exactly fighting clean door to door combat with that equipment.
There must be a gun pointing at the guy to even spout shit like that, or everyone there in media/politics is a raving lunatic.
Incorrect. This is quite a sweeping statement. Lavrov, Medvdev and any number of his generals all have a hand in the invasion of Ukraine, both in its planning and execution.
No China is not going to severe ties with Russia or Putin anytime soon. Even their general public is pro Russia : https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/business/china-russia-ukraine-invasion.html
If they're used, and don't just serve as a threat
No, as others have said - there are safeguards in place to stop one person determining the fate of the world. I'm just saying Putin himself will never concede.
I think someone has had a word.
They'll all be in underground bunkers
Mental cnut. Wtf
How long is that table
Little does he realize that images like this simply reinforce the suspicion he is increasingly isolated and prone to miscalculation.
They shouldn't be loving it given that we Europeans are going to have to cut back on buying their tat as money becomes tighter and tighter thanks to COVID and now this.
Reminds me of the great film Dr Strange love.
And needs the compensation of a large table
He has British citizenship btw. Edit: sorry that’s another presenter on the same channel
What makes you say that with such certainty? He's backed down before. There have been a number of incidents throughout his premiership where he's rattled the nuclear sabre if he doesn't get his own way.
Victory how? Not like Ukraine are an invading army. At worst he'll take the supposed bits that want to be Russian, which the national media will spin as a huge victory and crushing concession by Ukraine. Then he'll spend his last years destabilising the country and stirring shit.
Not a sweeping statement at all.
Any article you care to read recently has suggested that Putin has been severely isolated by choice, and is acting alone.
Lavrov is a lapdog, we know that.
He is alone and acting alone, that doesn't actually mean he has no one around him, it merely means he doesn't have any one to hold him to account.