Well so far they’ve gone along with him, let’s hope someone comes to their senses and does something before we all find out how insane he’s become
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i think I’m becoming more emotional with age (does that happen!?)
i was lumping up in throat a bit seeing the kids walking across the borders with their little bears for comfort.
such a conflicting feeling. Half thinking I’d like to see our lot go in and help them then realising how precious the situation is. Then thinking should we not just do it as it’s right? Heads mashed
I don't understand the mechanics of it, but if few countries want to deal with Russia, will being in SWIFT make any difference?
Heyooo!
It might be right but it wouldn't help and would cause much greater loss of life.
The West needs to tread very carefully, and bide its time.
What's with all these countries letting it be known that they're sending in arms etc?
Not sure tbh. It must mean something if he sees it as a declaration of war.
I am wondering that myself. How do you control a population of over 40 million people where a huge part of it hates you (seriously hates)? Even if you put pro Russian people into most of government positions, I really think that Ukraine is gone far beyond the point to accept any right leaning presidential office. Not to mention the costs of having to rebuild the country while your own country is in a financial ruins. I just can't see what Putin gains even if he succeeds in occupying Ukraine, apart from boosting his own ego and eventually losing the control of Ukraine in a few years anyway.
Can you find a source for him saying that it's an act of war? The only one I can find is from 2019.
Let them stay in then - Russia will not be doing trade with much of the world in the near future.
I think things have escalated in the past 24hrs with his public address referring to nuclear weapons.
Every country now is being quite overt in not only their sanctions but how they will help with weapons and supplies.
It’s pretty much at a who blinks first moment with near enough the whole world v Putin
War, what is it good for?
I don’t see his end goal either. He’s going to cripple his own country in every single way.
You could be right, it looks like something he said when they first invaded Crimea and after.
@Buster15
You are right in a general sense I hope. It is most likely posturing.
Is anyone else concerned about how much of what we've been hearing so far is contradicted by the Klitschko statement saying that they're surrounded?
Are we being fed information far more optimistic than the reality of the situation?
Are we being fed information far more optimistic than the reality of the situation?
Watching videos like these has me just baffeled about the Russians. I did my 12 months of concript service almost 20 years ago and the most basic stuff they tought us when moving vehicles in a convoy is to keep at least 50m between each vehicle and always look for air cover if you need to stop. These guys have just stoped in the middle of the road next to each other like they are out for a Sunday drive.
Yeah it's a really shit choice, I have no idea what I would do.
The kids holding bears for comfort is what gets me too. Purely concentrated innocence in human form and they're stuck in the middle of this fecking war.
Ok matey. Understood.
But I am not loosing any sleep (not that I sleep well anyway)...
You're right. It's not worth worrying excessively over. He most likely is posturing.
Pretty much. Social media would have you believe that Russia don’t have a clue what they’re doing and have lost almost every battle - and don’t get wrong I hope that’s true but it’s probably not reality.
Lost my link before but the FA have announced England won’t play Russia at any level for the foreseeable future
If that head general is indeed just fired, it means it's basically true. And some things such as the lack of air superiority are undeniable.
same idea came to mind yesterday already. It's almost impossible that the 2nd greatest military power is so clueless at it currently seems. Then again...all media I know basically aligns with what we see so far
Plus most of the surrounding countries will be funding and arming any resistance movement... and making concerted efforts to destroy your economy
I can't help but think the nuclear option is to get given an off ramp.... dunno what happens if potentially the last off ramp is missed though
Yeah we are probably all getting overexcited because we all want Ukraine to come out well but there is no denying Russia has not achieved anything of substance so far and their expectations will have been different.
I don't know if this has been asked, but how do those TB2 strikes actually work? What are they?
A fixed wing drone carrying a missile?
Yet they still have Kiev surrounded and look poised to have toppled the capital city of a 30m+ country in less than a week
So I guess it comes down to what the expectations were.... I would have thought 2 weeks to take the land east of the river and coastline would have sounded really optimistic if somebody said that a week ago
Certainly don't recall at the time people.saying he would take over Kiev in 48 hours
Hard to know the truth but overlaying the info I would say it can't have gone that bad if they have surrounded Kiev and have left a lot of units in reserve to date
Equally it's clearly not been a blitzkrieg of shock and awe that has terrified other countries
I think its exactly as it is. They are surrounded on the outskirts and the Russians are going in to raze everything. They are likely to capture Kyiv and many people are going to die. But what next? Thats the question.
The only thing that has failed is the timescale. He expected everything to end quick. They have also used up so much resources just to get to Kyiv, which is a city near the edge of the Belarus border where they started.
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I'm sure if the Whitehouse makes a clear statement about Taiwan being part of china then xi will respond with sanctions and condemnation on putin
Possible.
You do it first then
Pull yourself together man…
I saw a photo in a shelter/subway station in I guess Kyiv, of a person holding their dog in the middle of the crowd, the person has their back to the camera but you can see the dog’s face, the poor thing looked so terrified.
there is so much needless suffering caught up in the terrible decisions of such a small group of people. Horrible.
I swear half the people on here can't read.. Read back my 1st sentence.
I think it will be fine. But there is the potential of only a few minutes' notice in Europe of it not being fine anymore. And the panic makes rational thinking harder. It is much better to have a plan before shit hits the fan, this is fundamental shit.
Aren't we all pretty sure Kiev will fall shortly? It just took a lot of Russian resources and lives, much more than expected. And the entire world is rallying against Russia. That's the best possible outcome right now. Ukraine will still suffer losses, and cities will fall. The sheer amount of troops Russia are throwing at this makes it pretty much impossible for Ukraine to beat them. However, keeping control of it, with the economy tanking etc will be pretty much impossible at this point.