Good point. Plenty of Soviets defected during the Cold War.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Kiev is the Russian name, Kyiv is the Ukrainian.
Intel are working, so far looks like Putin has been trying to avoid massive civilian death. Thus the hope that sanctions reach Putin's brain and he slows down and decides to sit at the table. If he continues and starts using termobaric ammo or something more serious, then NATO will confront directly, knowing that all other possibilities have been tried and failed.
My understanding is that cutting Russia off from SWIFT is equivalent to cutting the supply of gas and oil because no one will be able to pay them.
I've seen now on BBC that they're talking about 'targeted' sanctions and it wouldn't surprise me if they still leave an option for paying for energy and it will be largely due to Germany and Italy being stupid enough to close their nuclear plants and leaving themselves at Putin's beck and call.
Yes but Ukrainians wanted the International community to change it to Kyiv as it is the Ukrainian name for the City. Kiev is Russian.
I think he means that so much of the war is on reported and information is on social media, this is a new thing for those in the West. Its not that they don't know of other issues and plights, its just not thrown at them down social media 24/7 and to the level it is now. Literally every second of this war is being reported and there is even live streams from Ukraine.
Mute is spelt 'moot' and Kiev is spelt 'Kyiv'.
Yeah I understand. Personally, I've been following war/conflict on social media since like 2010's. I don't even bother now. Twitter is full of rumors and whatever gets retweeted the most. Fog of war is multiplied on it.
I bet he's too scared of Kadyrov to say anything.
Or twitter?
I don’t even know what you’re arguing.
This is getting way more attention than pretty much any other modern war, for obvious reasons.
In the context of modern warfare, it's such a dumb move to drop paratroopers from the air when the other side is already waiting to hit back.
Not really. There are no F-22s or F-35s involved (yet). NATO countries are not involved. I am talking about what Raul said, about declaring a no fly zone above Ukraine, of course after Ukraine itself asks NATO to enforce it. There is no russian planes that can even get a sniff of the F-22s.
Putin believes that the west is mentally weak and that the US Air Force will not get involved. That's his gamble. If the US Air Force gets involved, we will see the end of Putin quite fast, his own people will get rid of him.
You've gone well beyond erring on the side of caution, to anything NATO/the West does will get the nukes flying.
Where did you get that from?
I't can't be real? If so it has to be the most stupid military operation ever.
Also has to do with the scale. For 21tst century standards this is a big conventional war.
I doubt it's real.
I think it's been taken down already which suggests it isn't.
If you remember that scene from A Bridge Too Far where the Polish Brigade jumped down with the Germans waiting for them right at the spot, it is exactly that.
edit: It may not be happening right now, but the fact it happened at least once is dumb enough.
Having reporting as it happens in real time is not new. Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm) was broadcast on TV 1990-91.
Come on Spanner, where have you been this past decade? This is unfortunately the new new.
That went well.
Sad state of affairs, for the parents too. I wonder what the Russian government told them.
I would absolutely love this to be true but have serious doubts:
Theres a huge difference between that and this. It was controlled broadcast from the media, what we're getting now is random Joe Soap in x town filming his best buddy stepping in front of tanks etc.. Anyway its a little off topic but mostly I was explaining to Shamans why this is all new to us. Not to everyone of course.
Yes, but that is my point, too. The Russians can't compete with the US Air Force so will find other means of competing. If the US Air Force gets involved you are absolutely risking a nuclear war (even if it doesn't happen, you will still have decided to risk it, and that is a gamble whatever way you look at it).
No, I've already said NATO and its allies have sent in guns and sanctions and will be prepared for an internal insurgency. Like arming the Iraqis against the Americans, where the Iraqis are the Ukrainians and the Americans are the Russians. That is the logical outcome. It will be a disaster for Russia (and the Ukraine, but that's already the case) but a disaster that stops just short of risking American/Russian conflict which no one in their right mind wants.
I maintain what I have said over the last couple of days - NATO should enforce a no fly zone, especially in the wake of indiscriminate Russian bombing.
Putin and the Russian state media are covering up this entire thing. They claim it’s a special operation in the Donbas. They claim to the troops it is training exercises. A no fly zone does not interfere with these things. Putin can’t even try to pretend to his own people what is going on, if he contests it.
Are we seriously saying we are allowing Putin to bomb and destroy major urban population centres, just because he claims he will nuke anyone who intervene? A line has to be drawn somewhere and bombing the shit out of Kyiv is well over it.
Putin and the Russian state media are covering up this entire thing. They claim it’s a special operation in the Donbas. They claim to the troops it is training exercises. A no fly zone does not interfere with these things. Putin can’t even try to pretend to his own people what is going on, if he contests it.
Are we seriously saying we are allowing Putin to bomb and destroy major urban population centres, just because he claims he will nuke anyone who intervene? A line has to be drawn somewhere and bombing the shit out of Kyiv is well over it.
Yes, of course, you are right.
And most of oligarchs themselves have a luxury life in the West and they don't want to give it up. And why? To occupy Ukraine? What for? For the nationalistic dreams of Putin? I bet that most of them are not happy with this invasion.
The way the screen goes completely white looks kinda fake to me. Could be real but like yourself I'd doubt it.
Agreed.
Iraq 1 & 2 and Afghanistan were all reported from the perspective of 'embedded' journalists. It was curated propaganda in all but name.
Anonymous are a joke. Just a bunch of kids who dont know shit about cybersecurity. Certainly no match for Russian hackers.
Sorry to anyone in Russia, this is going to get rough.
You are saying that Putin is crazy enough to use nukes instead of giving up the invasion.
Perhaps he is not that crazy. Most thugs give up when someone is stronger than them. But even if Putin is completely crazy, his lackeys will get rid of him before he uses nukes.
rt.com down for everybody?
some?
That's fair enough but there are problems with social media too whereby a lot of lies go viral. Some of the most viewed videos including one on tiktok with over 10 million views have nothing to do with this war but were filmed years ago in some other part of the world. The correction never gets widespread as the lie which can itself do a lot of damage as a form of propaganda.
Working fine for me at the moment... am surprised its not been taken down though
It's been up and down over the weekend. Anonymous have put a lot of DDOS attacks against their servers.