Well, shit.
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Well, shit.
Yeah I’m struggling to understand it. Cool heads definitely needed on the other side.
God damn, it's gonna get rough.
christ.This is a different level for NATO. Syria was pro-Russian with their military base there. Ukraine is being bombed because it is anti Putin and pro-democratic, while many NATO countries border on Ukraine.
No shit. That's the entire point.
What exactly?
Not over one plane it wouldn't be.
You really like to play the 'don't do anything to Putin, he'll just fire his nukes card', don't you?
So why would he agree/respect it?
Yes, obviously, but the entire point is it also equals a literal conflict between NATO and Russia. It's fecking insane.
Because he would be risk war with Ukraine (where he's already flopping) and a military that is far more advanced and battle hardened than his own.
Yeah, I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to a nuclear conflict being much more likely because some want NATO to intervene directly.
Weird take, I can only be critical if I am ready to die for the nation?
Nationalism has caused more wars than anything in history maybe less than religion buts its up there. World wars have been caused by extreme nationalism. Even in this Ukranian conflict Russian nationalism has played a significant role if you go by Putin's speech.
In times of extreme crisis like the one right now sure one's got to tap into the dark side of our humanity (nationalism being of them) because its a literal kill or be killed situation for the Ukrainians but that shouldn't be our default position. That would just lead to more wars.
I see such comments a lot on here and I don't mean disrespect but do people in Euroe/North America think the rest of the world does not exist? This is not the first War in the world since social media or twitter
There are really only maybe two options here. You can fight to preserve the existence of your country or flee. Yes ?
I ready today that Zelinksy is Jewish yet Putin insults the country is run by neo Nazis
Is this the most stupid thing that has come out of his mouth.
Is this the most stupid thing that has come out of his mouth.
Leaked intelligence report from Estonias Former Chief of Defense
Why is the EU dragging its feet over Swift?
Should have happened already.
Should have happened already.
Of course they do, but those aren’t in Europe so obviously they won’t get the sort of attention this one has. Plus, a lot of the other countries in which wars rage simply aren’t as advanced nor are spots where twitter is so heavily used in every aspect of society.
I guess it's certain countries caring more about keeping their gas prices down rather than saving innocent lives in another country.
I get that it's all grist to the morale boosting mill but isn't circulating this stuff rubbing up a little close to the Geneva Convention with regards to the treatment of prisoners?
May they RiP.
The fecker has already grabbed lands from neighbour countries, eradicated any sort of opposition in his home country, is now bombing a sovereign country next to him, having already occupied part of it and treating it as an artificial state that should not exist. He has put TOS 1 to be ready eradicate anything, yet we are here thinking that maybe nobody should fight his army, in case his existing opponent fails and citizens die in thousands.
In Putin's case, its just disinformation for domestic consumption. He used the same narrative 8 years ago when he invaded Crimea and Donbas, under the pretext he was "protecting Russian speakers" from fascists.
Twitter may not be as heavily used but the disparity of power between Russia and Ukrain is not much too dissimilar to say ISIS and Turkey. This is more like big bully Russia wrecking Ukraine than a head to head War. Anyway, maybe I follow the news regularly or something.
Agreed, but why do you think NATO/The West aren't getting involved ?
That’s a hell of a sight.
It seems to me that you really think Putin is batshit crazy. Russia is much weaker than NATO, so it will be suicide for them to do anything against NATO.
You may be right, perhaps Putin is now completely insane. But have you thought that even if Putin is crazy and has no problem killing himself, perhaps the others around him might not be willing to destroy Russia and they might get rid of Putin before he starts using nukes? Nobody loves crazy dictators, not even their lackeys.
There's a vast number of reasons, obviously nuclear threat is one of them but hardly top of the list.
Add to the fact that the families of said Oligarchs are mostly in Europe anyway. Don't think they'd want a nuke going off wherever their children could be.
I have no idea except the bold has already happened. They have moved against the NATO alliance in terms of expected sanctions and so on. It has already been an economic suicide. So I'm wary because I have no idea how far they're willing to go in the Ukraine. Pretty fecking far if they've factored all this in and are still doing it, is my guess.
Almost certain it's a parody.
He also says: " I'm not going to debate with somebody who did not attend Cambridge University. That would be punching down. "
Wankers.
Rather mute question but I was sure Kyiv used to be spelt Kiev?
Kyiv in Ukranian and Kiev in Russian.