Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Biden is the human equivalent of wet tissue paper. What a shit leader.
 
The Germans caused this with their idiotic energy policy and tried to push it onto their allies.
The Germans absolutely did not cause this.

Would you personally be happy to go bankrupt over Ukraine? I doubt it. That's what some are asking Germany and Italy and others to do. There is no alternative to Russian gas/oil right now.
 
He’s what people wanted right? All the ignorance over trump and this is what people get. A guy who can barely speak and a puppet.

This is so wrong in so many levels, Trump is in Putin's pocket, he declared bankrupcy so many times that the only banks that would lend him money were russian banks, add that to the pee tape and you have a Putin puppet in the White House. He only sold Javellin rockets to Ucraine after he forced them to invent crap on biden
 
I need a little optimism. Why do you say that?

If you look at the cost/benefit of what he's doing - the sanctions are going to cripple him, the daily drip of imagery of needless carnage in Ukraine, the humanitarian disaster of displaced Ukrainians, the spectacle of dead Russian soldiers being broadcast on social media (which will be seen by domestic Russians), the protracted insurgency in Ukrainian cities, the compounding effects of sanctions on Oligarchs, the international isolation and unrelenting sanctions on things the Russian economy needs to exist - all of these are a far greater cost than anything he would gain in Ukraine, since he will never have full control of the country before the sanctions finish him off. He is more likely to get toppled from within than enjoy the spoils of external conquest.
 
2000 followers FFS
He's a journalist working for Bloomberg. They published an article about it now. Another article I read though put the time frame within 'days' rather than hours.

Western Allies See Kyiv Falling Within Hours: Ukraine Update
Bloomberg News
February 24, 2022, 8:20 AM GMT+1Updated onFebruary 24, 2022, 8:00 PM GMT+1

Western Allies See Kyiv Falling to Russian Forces Within Hours (7:54 p.m.)
Kyiv may fall to Russian forces tonight as Ukraine’s air defenses have been effectively eliminated, according to a senior Western intelligence official.

Russian troops are advancing toward Ukraine down both sides of the Dnieper river and look set to take the capital, the official said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ocked-out-airbases-ruble-sinks-ukraine-update
 
The Germans absolutely did not cause this.

Would you personally be happy to go bankrupt over Ukraine? I doubt it. That's what some are asking Germany and Italy and others to do. There is no alternative to Russian gas/oil right now.
You have very little understanding of German energy policy over the past 10 years and how it's affected others around them. Read up and learn.

I already explained they closed off their nuclear power plants and made themselves very reliable on Russian gas. For a manufacturing powerhouse, that is lunacy.

Now they are crying about it but why isn't France? Because they are a nuclear powerhouse.
 
I really hope Ukraine's elite units can destroy those Russian airborne troops.
 
No chance of that happening from what i'm seeing.

edit: and another russian plane just been shot down:


Personally I found it hard to believe too, because Russia have not amassed nearly enough forces around Kyiv to take it, but Bloomberg wouldn't report that lightly without having some info. Probably 'days' is the earliest feasible scenario, though it could still take much longer.
 
You have very little understanding of German energy policy over the past 10 years and how it's affected others around them. Read up and learn.

I already explained they closed off their nuclear power plants and made themselves very reliable on Russian gas. For a manufacturing powerhouse, that is lunacy.

Now they are crying about it but why isn't France? Because they are a nuclear powerhouse.
I'm well aware of their energy policy. It's a good move.

France are keeping nuclear because it is a security council member and needs the plants to maintain that status. It is more military than energy, seeing as the world will almost certainly not need nuclear energy as we know it within twenty years or so.
 
If you look at the cost/benefit of what he's doing - the sanctions are going to cripple him, the daily drip of imagery of needless carnage in Ukraine, the humanitarian disaster of displaced Ukrainians, the spectacle of dead Russian soldiers being broadcast on social media (which will be seen by domestic Russians), the protracted insurgency in Ukrainian cities, the compounding effects of sanctions on Oligarchs, the international isolation and unrelenting sanctions on things the Russian economy needs to exist - all of these are a far greater cost than anything he would gain in Ukraine, since he will never have full control of the country before the sanctions finish him off. He is more likely to get toppled from within than enjoy the spoils of external conquest.

I imagine he and the people at his table took all of this into consideration. They went ahead anyway. There won't be a single thing that the west do that Putin won't have had presented to him as a potential ramification. Putin is a rich and powerful man, and those closest to him are more than likely the same. They should care more about the sanctions and what it will do to them, but the fact they proceeded with this invasion knowing very well it could lead to their countries financial demise, it's as straightforward as them just not giving a shit.
 
They elected a clown as president nothing less to be expected

Glad to see your irrational and stupid isn't limited to football. Even more evidence to jist don't give two shits on your opinion, regardless of the topic.

On a more serious note, I think today few people have the nerve to deal with what you call your opinion so please do us all afavor and just shut the feck up.
 
I actually think that shows he does in fact give a shit about public opinion

Does it? By arresting them for expressing freedom of speech? That’s a dictatorship right there - either my way or no way.

The reports coming out now that the capital city Kiev is about to fall into Russian hands indicates he doesn’t give a f*** what his people think. If he did give a shit about his own peoples thought and the way the Russian citizens have turned out in their masses protesting against this despicable nightmare, he’d be ordering a retreat right now, wouldn’t he and not looking to advance even further with this invasion?
 
I'm well aware of their energy policy. It's a good move.

France are keeping nuclear because it is a security council member and needs the plants to maintain that status. It is more military than energy, seeing as the world will almost certainly not need nuclear energy as we know it within twenty years or so.
Do you just try to be wrong about everything?
 
Bald and Bankrupt in Ukraine, hope he'll be able to get out of dodge.

Also wonder why he chose to go there with the troop build up in recent months.

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I'm well aware of their energy policy. It's a good move.

France are keeping nuclear because it is a security council member and needs the plants to maintain that status. It is more military than energy, seeing as the world will almost certainly not need nuclear energy as we know it within twenty years or so.
Why wouldn't the world need nuclear energy in twenty years?
 
Do you just try to be wrong about everything?
You never do refute the facts, or interpretation thereof, but simply ask questions that presuppose the validity of your own position without ever actually stating it in full. A nice way of seeming to be informed without ever presenting an argument.
 
Sounding like Russians being pushed out of Sumy... They really have fecked up their eastern push, supposed to be the easy meat around the Russan border.

Perhaps Ukraine have focussed majority of their forces there. Perhaps russian forces aren't all they are cracked up to be, we haven't seen the full extent of their capability yet though, heavy bombers, tos-1 walking war crimes, etc.
 
Why wouldn't the world need nuclear energy in twenty years?
I addressed this in the energy discussion prior to invasion (twenty pages back). The majority of the OECD countries are/will be more than capable of moving away from nuclear as other options are coming online (and as they continue to come online). Germany's plan is part of a 2050 initiative which concedes that some states will need to use gas as a stopgap.
 
If you look at the cost/benefit of what he's doing - the sanctions are going to cripple him, the daily drip of imagery of needless carnage in Ukraine, the humanitarian disaster of displaced Ukrainians, the spectacle of dead Russian soldiers being broadcast on social media (which will be seen by domestic Russians), the protracted insurgency in Ukrainian cities, the compounding effects of sanctions on Oligarchs, the international isolation and unrelenting sanctions on things the Russian economy needs to exist - all of these are a far greater cost than anything he would gain in Ukraine, since he will never have full control of the country before the sanctions finish him off. He is more likely to get toppled from within than enjoy the spoils of external conquest.
I hope you are right. It was exactly this that I used to convince my friends in UKR that Putin would never attack. The benefits are outweighed. Yet, they told me the Slavic psyche is such that no-one can tell you what to do. They (UKR as well) are apparently notoriously stubborn. So, when RUS invaded I felt a right fool. I then reasoned that the psychological benefit of attacking must vastly outweigh the economic benefits of NOT attacking.

It would be great if Putin runs home with his tail between his legs, but that would never, ever happen. He would let those nukes fly and destroy the world before that happens.
 
If you look at the cost/benefit of what he's doing - the sanctions are going to cripple him, the daily drip of imagery of needless carnage in Ukraine, the humanitarian disaster of displaced Ukrainians, the spectacle of dead Russian soldiers being broadcast on social media (which will be seen by domestic Russians), the protracted insurgency in Ukrainian cities, the compounding effects of sanctions on Oligarchs, the international isolation and unrelenting sanctions on things the Russian economy needs to exist - all of these are a far greater cost than anything he would gain in Ukraine, since he will never have full control of the country before the sanctions finish him off. He is more likely to get toppled from within than enjoy the spoils of external conquest.
Tbh all that is absolutely normal and to be expected. He was planning for this for over 8 years.
And make no mistakes he is pulling the strings with the oligarchs in the know.
So far unfortunately it doesn’t look like they are facing stiffer opposition.

It really depends how long will Kyiv stand. If they swiftly manage to decapitate the government I’m afraid it will soon be over and there will be only partisan movements in separate places.
 
He'd have nuked them by now

This is the man who told his Secretary of Defense that he would pull out of NATO if he were re-elected and would have blown up the alliance with South Korea too. He'd have done nothing and left Europe in more danger than it already is in.
 
Does it? By arresting them for expressing freedom of speech? That’s a dictatorship right there - either my way or no way.

The reports coming out now that the capital city Kiev is about to fall into Russian hands indicates he doesn’t give a f*** what his people think. If he did give a shit about his own peoples thought and the way the Russian citizens have turned out in their masses protesting against this despicable nightmare, he’d be ordering a retreat right now, wouldn’t he and not looking to advance even further with this invasion?
Yes, countries like China do this because they are afraid of dissent, which can grow quickly. If he truly didn't care then he would just leave them alone and ignore them. He cares about controlling public opinion, not appeasing them imo.
 
I'm well aware of their energy policy. It's a good move.

France are keeping nuclear because it is a security council member and needs the plants to maintain that status. It is more military than energy, seeing as the world will almost certainly not need nuclear energy as we know it within twenty years or so.

France nuclear is mainly and largely about energy, France are keeping it because we invested a lot in it and it has been cost efficient. Your take on this one is really bad.
 
Any news on where Zelensky is now?
 
I hope you are right. It was exactly this that I used to convince my friends in UKR that Putin would never attack. The benefits are outweighed. Yet, they told me the Slavic psyche is such that no-one can tell you what to do. They (UKR as well) are apparently notoriously stubborn. So, when RUS invaded I felt a right fool. I then reasoned that the psychological benefit of attacking must vastly outweigh the economic benefits of NOT attacking.

It would be great if Putin runs home with his tail between his legs, but that would never, ever happen. He would let those nukes fly and destroy the world before that happens.

I think more people need to understand this. Hitler killed himself, you can bet that if he was able to press a button and launch a nuke, he'd have done it. Putin can.
 
This the same guy that was praising Putin just yesterday, you mean?

Why do people refuse to see Trump governs as he deals with his business partners? He's ready to throw nations under the Russian tank just like he's willing to push people in front of a bus if it saves his arse.

This is without even going into Trump being compromised by Russian money.

Truly some see what they want to see and this is how Putin has support in Russia with his propaganda.
Jeez it was a joke.