Why can people not grasp: NATO is not getting involved militarily.
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It may not have happened because Trump would have handed Ukraine to Putin on a platter, one way or another. Manafort was his fecking campaign manager remember.
And you think Trump would have been better? He’d no doubt be singing Putin’s name and praising him all the way up to the rooftops plus blaming the whole situation on Ukraine.
and one side doesn't know what its playing for.
OK, as I said - it is clearly strategic. Now I know why :-)
Controversial but I don’t know if Putin would’ve tried this with Trump in power simply because Trump is unpredictable and liable to doing some dumb shit.
It appears Putin has grossly miscalculated all of this.
No way Trump does anything against Putler, ever. He couldnt muster a single bad word against him, and said he trusted him more than his IC. He was also against nato, so the more likely outcome would be the end of that alliance.
What makes you say that?
Ukraine is a massive country. It's twice Germany. Russia has attacked them from 3 directions. There is no way to protect all possible entry points. Russia has much more jets, tanks, soldiers...
I need a little optimism. Why do you say that?
It wont be sanctions then, it will be war, and probably the end of civilization as we know it.
Agreed. The self-interest of some of the Western countries - whilst not surprising - is incredibly sad. From those blocking Russian expulsion from SWIFT, to the Swiss refusing to impose sanctions and going with their fabled neutrality.
Also, I dont think it helps matters that every time Biden has spoken, he has made sure to repeat the lines that no U.S troops will be going to Ukraine. Dont get me wrong - that very well may be the case, but you dont need to so publicly give Putin the green-light on a daily basis. Rather just say nothing and keep the threat and deterrent.
He most likely would have tried to push Ukraine towards them and away from NATO
On top of every sanction available kick Russia out of all international sports events, the Olympics, the World Cup, World championships, all international sport everywhere.
And Eurovision.
I'd say it's going more or less exactly as he expected.
Every revolution starts with a brave “pointless” few.
The Germans caused this with their idiotic energy policy and tried to push it onto their allies.
A Union is a Union as long as you can rely on your partners. The moment Germany and Italy cannot take economic pain, forget human pain, is when nations start questioning whether it's worth serving as a buffer for these rich nations to keep serving their interests, be it political or whatever else.
We have also seen that the money is there if there is a will. The rich EU nations can finance a one-off energy package and stock up on non-Russian gas in the summer. It'll be expensive but so is Germany's idiocy of shutting down power plants at home and applying pressure on others to do the same. Italy has also closed its nuclear generation capability and again, that's why they're fecked.
He attacked the base in Syria where Russian forces were staying (after telling them half an hour in advance).
The thing with Trump is that he was not a rational actor. Which makes doing things very unpredictable (probably a bit like how Putin is now).
Let's remember that if Trump was Putin's lapdog, this would have happened 2 years ago.
Trump was not against NATO, just wanted other European countries to pay their fare share. It is beyond disgrace that Germany and France, two very rich and large countries are still not able to defend themselves because they don't spend on their military.
Far too late isn't it.
Should have been done years ago as it takes time to be capable of operating them.
Everyone knows that the first thing Russia needs to do is establish air superiority.
So why were western surface to air missile systems not provided to shoot down Russian fighter jets.
Yes they have many of them. But at least the Russian air force would have had to work much harder to gain air superiority.
Now that's escalation.
It’s a weird thread there seems to be a lot of naive people that think the world is all flowers and every conflict is escalated to nuclear war.
I literally just saw that.
The US has supplier loads of weaponry, such as javelin missiles. UK has too. But i’m not sure what else beyond that. Probably worried about giving too much that could fall in Russian hands (although small arms are surely not too secret).
I just think he wasn't fully prepared back then.
2000 followers FFS
Even if it is the case, there is still a sinking feeling that the West's response will take too long to have any effect until Ukraine is crushed. Right now, it's about stopping the advance of the Russian army.
As for the topic of SWIFT, feck Germany and feck Italy in particular.
I understand that. But it looks like nothing has been done.
And military analysts must have determined the most likely entry points. Those 3 entry points were obviously Belarus, Crimea and the occupied zones.
Its the only way they get fewer points than the UK entry.
Because it appears that way.
How so?
The only thing predictable about Trump was how much he would drop to his knees for Russia and Putin. Trump hasn't received financing from any legit bank since the 90s. The only financing he gets is from Russia (confirmed by his son and all the research done by journos). Russians don't finance you out of the goodness of their hearts.
Trump is an idiot, but somehow knew he wanted to destabalize NATO. He may not have been a russian plant but he was doing everything he could to pay back all the Russian money did for him.
Sure, if you are the lad on a school trip who eats all of his lunch on the bus in the morning.
The backlash from his own people absolutely but I genuinely think deep down he doesn’t give two shits what they think of his actions towards Ukraine. They’ve already been arresting people for speaking out today in Russia for what he’s just done, and it’s just going to get even more nasty over there I’m afraid.
Belarus will vote for them.
At this rate, so will Ukraine.
Half the time he started some sentence as part of his answer to a question and then stopped midway. He comes across as a mumbling old man rather than a leader capable of giving a rising oration.
I actually think that shows he does in fact give a shit about public opinion