Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Shakesey said:
I agree. The sooner this end the better. In fact, let Putin have Ukraine. As long as innocent people don't get killed.
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Does this not make you feel deathly uncomfortable? Letting the bully’s win, not that I completely disagree with you.
 
Terrible terrible stuff. I've lived through war 31 years ago, havent experienced it other than few air raids but in other parts of the country it was terrible. God knows what will happen but as always civilians will suffer the most.....
 
So it will be sanctions against Russia and talk about "standing with" Ukraine but other than that everyone just watches as they get taken over?
 
sport2793 said:
I mean Rob Lee I agree with but Kofman is one of the leading experts on the Russian military in the US working at one of the most prestigious think tanks, wouldn't be surprised if he had access to pieces of intelligence throughout this crisis and/or was consulted by the WH/Pentagon.
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Yeah I suppose Kofman would have plenty of resources — I stand corrected. Nevertheless, he’s very good.
 
What's the point of Ukrainian resistance at this point considering how feckless the west has been? Just wave the white flag and avoid the mass casualties. I really don't any scenario where Ukrainian resistance amounts to anything good for Ukrainians.
 
Jippy said:
If there are literally thousands of tanks and hundreds of planes involved, plus over 150,000 troops, is there much point to this unverified dripfeed of minutiae.
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In my opinion any sort of information that demotivates russians, civilian or military, is good information to spread. Putin isn't Xi, he'd like to censor all Russian internet and keep the population in the dark but isn't actually capable of it.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Does this not make you feel deathly uncomfortable? Letting the bully’s win, not that I completely disagree with you.
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Of course it does. But the safety of my friends in UKR is much more important to me than ideologies.

When the big fat kid demanded my lunch at school I gave it to him. A punch in the face hurts more than a damaged ego.
 
Shakesey said:
I agree. The sooner this ends the better. In fact, let Putin have Ukraine. As long as innocent people don't get killed.
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Innocent people don't get killed, except all the innocent people who get targeted once Putin has Ukraine.
 
DickDastardly said:
Is there a possibility this will all end really soon?

To explain my self:

Ukraine and NATO played a Russian roulette with Putin.....talks of Ukraine joining NATO, joining EU....
All sounds a bit like the Russians deploying missiles on Cuba.
Too close to comfort.

In this case, too close to comfort for Russians.
So, Putin had no options but to act like a rat under attack - fight back.

Today shows that the West isn't up for a full scale WWIII.
Which is fine by me. Hate wars.

So, Putin got what he wanted and showed what he's capable of.
They bring back all the military and leave Ukraine alone, under the condition they don't flirt with the West.

Win - win for everyone? (well, not for Ukraine, or the west to be honest....but, at least nobody dies in a dumbass war)
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Grow a brain!
 
Just signed up for military, will slaughter any Russian occupant trying to step on our soil if it comes to it.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Does this not make you feel deathly uncomfortable? Letting the bully’s win, not that I completely disagree with you.
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Would you say that Kennedy was the bully in the Cuban crisis?

It's geopolitics. NATO openly flirting with Ukraine tipped this over.

Them not following up, and the West acting with bystander effect is what this is.
 
Jippy said:
If there are literally thousands of tanks and hundreds of planes involved, plus over 150,000 troops, is there much point to this unverified dripfeed of minutiae.
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Lift the spirits of the person writing it, seems enough for me. People need some "good" news.
 
Simbo said:
Apparently the main worry right now is a large tank push out of Crimea.
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Yep according to Kofman the goal would be to attempt a massive encirlement of UKR forces in the Donbass with one end coming from Crimea and the other from Kharkiv. The goal would be to prevent UKR forces from retreating to west of the Dnieper.
 
Ok, worst scenario. If it all kicked off and war was declared. Would you fight? If you got called up would you go?
 
DickDastardly said:
To explain my self:

Ukraine and NATO played a Russian roulette with Putin.....talks of Ukraine joining NATO, joining EU....
All sounds a bit like the Russians deploying missiles on Cuba.
Too close to comfort.

In this case, too close to comfort for Russians.
So, Putin had no options but to act like a rat under attack - fight back.
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You're not explaining yourself very well. This sounds nothing like missiles on Cuba. This is Kremlin propaganda 101.

NATO & US have not deployed any nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe and there were never any plans to do so. The eastern-most US nuclear warheads in Europe are in Germany and Italy. And in Turkey when it comes to Asia. There has been no deployment of nuclear warheads eastward since German re-unification.

Nothing has changed to put Russians at unease with regards to their own safety. This is simply Russian state neo-imperialism trying re-write the history of independence of former Soviets.
 
Abizzz said:
In my opinion any sort of information that demotivates russians, civilian or military, is good information to spread. Putin isn't Xi, he'd like to censor all Russian internet and keep the population in the dark but isn't actually capable of it.
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JPRouve said:
Lift the spirits of the person writing it, seems enough for me. People need some "good" news.
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Yep fair enough I can see that, just obviously feels a drop in the ocean and not verified at that.
 
Shakesey said:
I agree. The sooner this ends the better. In fact, let Putin have Ukraine. As long as innocent people don't get killed.
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You can't give a madman everything. Yes we should prevent loss of life, but there should be a limit until we decide to fight back against a bully.
 
horsechoker said:
Any chance this becomes the modern Russia's Afghanistan?
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Hard to tell. The motions have been set and from now on, it's very unpredictable if Ukraine goes into insurgency and guerilla warfare or surrenders.
 
MadMike said:
You're not explaining yourself very well. This sounds nothing like missiles on Cuba. This is Kremlin propaganda 101.

NATO & US have not deployed any nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe and there were never any plans to do so. The eastern-most US nuclear warheads in Europe are in Germany and Italy. And in Turkey when it comes to Asia. There has been no deployment of nuclear warheads eastward since German re-unification.
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But NATO has been in talks with Ukraine on joining up, weren't they?

Let's say, in geopolitical terms, the Russians are trying to invite Canada and Mexico to form a pact.
What would the american response be?
Please, don't?
 
Paxi said:
Yeah I suppose Kofman would have plenty of resources — I stand corrected. Nevertheless, he’s very good.
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Agreed, all I hope though is that his fears of a miscalculation leading to escalation aren't realized (i.e. UKR insurgents operating from NATO territory being targeted by Russia). He even said that this would be the scenario that would keep him up at night in one of the virtual talks he gave recently.
 
Jippy said:
Yep fair enough I can see that, just obviously feels a drop in the ocean and not verified at that.
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Can't really argue with that other than that I don't think we'll have very much truly verified information in the coming days.
 
Shocked, appalled, and horrified. I didn't think Russia would actually do this. I was wrong. Not that it helps dying Ukrainians either way.
 
Anyone shocked the Daily Mail is on the side of the fascists?

 
DickDastardly said:
But NATO has been in talks with Ukraine on joining up, weren't they?

Let's say, in geopolitical terms, the Russians are trying to invite Canada and Mexico to form a pact.
What would the american response be?
Please, don't?
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Cuba was in a pact with Russia. What's your point again?
 
DickDastardly said:
Is there a possibility this will all end really soon?

To explain my self:

Ukraine and NATO played a Russian roulette with Putin.....talks of Ukraine joining NATO, joining EU....
All sounds a bit like the Russians deploying missiles on Cuba.
Too close to comfort.

In this case, too close to comfort for Russians.
So, Putin had no options but to act like a rat under attack - fight back.

Today shows that the West isn't up for a full scale WWIII.
Which is fine by me. Hate wars.

So, Putin got what he wanted and showed what he's capable of.
They bring back all the military and leave Ukraine alone, under the condition they don't flirt with the West.

Win - win for everyone? (well, not for Ukraine, or the west to be honest....but, at least nobody dies in a dumbass war)
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I keep seeing it get compared to the Cuban missile crisis as a justification for Putin’s actions. Joining NATO is arguably very different (it would be like the US preventing Cuba from joining the Warsaw Pact) and joining the EU is a million miles from the same. Were the yanks deploying nukes in Ukraine then it would be the same. Until then it’s a false equivalent.

Ukraine as a sovereign nation should be allowed to make its own decisions. Whether that’s NATO or the EU or even a third way, it’s clear that there is popular support for the current systems of government. Putin’s only long term fear is a directly democratic, open and free country on its border without the ability to interfere with impunity. Ukraine does have a large Russian speaking population, one that would have significantly more freedoms of choice than their neighbours right across the border.

Tired of hearing how this has anything to do with “being surrounded by missiles” as if Russia doesn’t have nukes in Kaliningrad pointed at Europe.
 
DickDastardly said:
But NATO has been in talks with Ukraine on joining up, weren't they?

Let's say, in geopolitical terms, the Russians are trying to invite Canada and Mexico to form a pact.
What would the american response be?
Please, don't?
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What is your point really?
 
groovyalbert said:
Hardly - they seem het up in discussions over which sanctions to impose that don't immediately hamper their own economies, whilst getting in a muddle over what constitutes a legitimate invasion. I'd say the response of the West thus far will be music to the ears of the Kremlin, and I imagine Taiwan will be watching on with dread.
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Na I wouldn't worry about Taiwan, unless the Chinese advance too far militarily. Even the Trump folks hate China so there would be will to fight from the US, which is more important in the Pacific than EU anyways.

Joe Biden in one of his recent faux pas even admitted he would order the US military to support Taiwan in a war against China. It led to a lot of crying from the Chinese and calls for Biden to reaffirm the one China policy.
 
They didn’t even bother with false flag attacks as their plans have been completely exposed to public ages ago now.
 
sullydnl said:
Innocent people don't get killed, except all the innocent people who get targeted once Putin has Ukraine.
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Ukranians are proud people whose ancestors, only a few generations removed, suffered terribly at the hands of the Soviets. If they want to fight then it's not much of a surprise.

There are still millions of Ukranians with living connections to the Holodomor.
 
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