Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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Logically I see your point but the issue is that things can happen randomly that can quickly escalate into a nuclear conflict. The Cuban Missile Crisis is a great example where neither Khruschev nor Kennedy wanted anything to do with nuclear war but events on the ground nearly took the decision out of their hands.
 
TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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It's not going to be a Russian soldier shot by the US then the Russia hit the nukes, but what do you think will happen if US deploys troops? and started shooting one another? at one point it'll only escalates.
 
TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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Putin would use Nukes as a last resort of that I am 100% sure. If he was going down the world would follow him.
 
Cardboard elk said:
They are cushioning the impact of sanctions on Russia, and at the same time trying to avoid giving attention to the "separatist support" from Russia, ref. Taiwan.
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Ah I see. “Neutral”.

A shame, them coming out and denouncing the invasion would have a major impact.
 
Heart goes out to Ukrainians involved in this, absolutely heartbroken for them.
 
UNCONFIRMED reports that a town taken early by Russia was retaken by Ukrainian forces with 50 Russian Casualties.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's not going to be a Russian soldier shot by the US then the Russia hit the nukes, but what do you think will happen if US deploys troops? and started shooting one another? at one point it'll only escalates.
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It's blindingly obvious that both Russia and the US would need to attack whatever is supporting the troops attacking them on the ground. And that's all of us.


In my opinion it would be better to make Putin's words true and actually support Russian terrorists large scale and kill his weak and pathetic system from the inside. However we might not like what follows it if we do :/

(And by weak and pathetic I mean a country run on 30+ year old weapons with a new lick of paint and no capability to produce anything other than stuff dug with a shovel or drill, this isn't a true super power, they just inherited the weapons of one).
 
WPMUFC said:
UNCONFIRMED reports that a town taken early by Russia was retaken by Ukrainian forces with 50 Russian Casualties.
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Fecking Russian troops really dying for this. Should have organized a mutiny against Putin.
 
frostbite said:
But why Europeans would "live in poverty"? Putin would never ever try to have a war against Europe. He is not that crazy.
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He was crying about statues the other day. He is definitely that crazy.
 
SoCross said:
Ah I see. “Neutral”.

A shame, them coming out and denouncing the invasion would have a major impact.
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Why would they, they want to do arguably worse things (and are doing worse things in Xinjiang) than Russia is doing even now. Anyone who doesn't see this is being played for a fool. Ask the Indians who have had to constantly deal with attempted Chinese encroachment for years.
 
I see people here talking about admitting Ukraine to the EU immediately as a response. It's actually the EU that doesn't want Ukraine to be part of it because they are wrecked economically with extensive corruption. The EU is already facing problems with Greece and nations needing a lot of financial assistance because of their economic situation, and Ukraine is the worse than all of them, so I don't think the EU even wants that.

berbatrick said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it normal for (what seems like) civilian traffic to be around while military vehicles from a different country are going past? Seems a bit surreal.
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Not at this stage of the conflict...

Skills said:
Europe has more to lose.
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... and Ukraine means much more for Russia than the EU.

Paxi said:
Guy in the car confirms that they are already in Kharkiv.
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This is not a good sign for Ukraine if true, Kharkiv is the second largest city in Ukraine.

UweBein said:
I mean Charkiv was one of the easiest targets being so close to Russia. Troops there don't mean much.
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It's a very significant city, walking relaxed on the streets like that even on its outskirts doesn't suggest that Ukraine is showing a lot of resistance.
 


Hopefully this is over quickly to avoid mass civilian casualties.
 
SoCross said:
Ah I see. “Neutral”.

A shame, them coming out and denouncing the invasion would have a major impact.
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They would never do that though, the most they'd do is call for restraint on all sides. I've never heard of them say anything overly negative or critical about Russia, and they stayed silent during Crimea.
 
UweBein said:
I mean Charkiv was one of the easiest targets being so close to Russia. Troops there don't mean much.
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The Ukrainian Forces have probably pulled back from the border to their planned defensive positions.
At some point they will have to take a stand. The Russian forces are now pouring into Ukraine and taking their positions opposite of them. During this time, the local population has time to evacuate (as they know that they are in a future battle zone).
Russia is giving the time to do this, cause they have no interest to be seen as attackers of the civilian population. Some time in the next hours/days the Russian forces will start attacking some of the Ukrainian fortified lines with heavy artillery and then probably try to make a breakthrough to their strategic objectives.
 
Paxi said:
There’s a good article floating around. Russia moving away from the dollar. Having large gold reserves. Having potentially sanctions of their own. So just sanctioning the shit out of Russia is not as black and white.
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I'm not sure we'll be calling them sanctions by the end of the day, we're looking at a potential worldwide embargo of all things Russian.

But yes, it will certainly hurt the west too.
 
Danny1982 said:
This is not a good sign for Ukraine if true, Kharkiv is the second largest city in Ukraine.


It's a very significant city, walking relaxed on the streets like that even on its outskirts doesn't suggest that Ukraine is showing a lot of resistance.
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From a military perspective this isn't that important. Better to give up a city on the edge of your territory and take up better defensive positions. Would be similar to the Indians surrounding Lahore within days of a conventional war with Pakistan.
 
Kostov said:
Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.
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Ban this *insert expletive here* out of this forum.
 
In hindsight was the restrtictions on wheat exports from Russia part of the plan?
 
Simbo said:
I'm not sure we'll be calling them sactions by the end of the day, we're looking at a potential worldwide embargo of all things Russian.

But yes, it will certainly hurt the west too.
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We will have to see what happens. Hopefully this is over soon. fecking speechless that this is actually happening. Like logically, with all the build up and IC chatter, one would have expected some sort of incursion to happen but full on invasion is just crazy. Can’t believe it.
 


Russia crippling all Ukrainian military infrastructure. There is not much soldiers can do when they literally have no ammo to fight with. No air defence or air support. In a way I’m relieved that this doesn’t seem like it will be as bloody battle as some predicted. At least normal people will get to see their families again.
 
dove said:
Unfortunately it's not. They will take Ukraine, announce it as part of Russia and most of the world will forget in a couple of years. What are we gonna do about it? Introduce more sanctions for their fictive banks that are designed for that purpose, to be sanctioned sooner or later? It's too late now. If they were hit REALLY hard the first time they sent their army into Ukraine territory and took over Crimea, story would probably be a lot different now. But we did nothing and they are laughing at us.
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Don't confuse this with another Crimea, this war won't be over within a couple years and the western world isn't ready for the amount of images and videos about to plaster our screens of mangled civilians.
 
Paxi said:


Russia crippling all Ukrainian military infrastructure. There is not much soldiers can do when they literally have no ammo to fight with. No air defence or air support. In a way I’m relieved that this doesn’t seem like it will be as bloody battle as some predicted. At least normal people will get to see their families again.
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Highly unlikely they weren’t assuming Russia would target any military infra straight away to be honest.
 
dove said:
Unfortunately it's not. They will take Ukraine, announce it as part of Russia and most of the world will forget in a couple of years. What are we gonna do about it? Introduce more sanctions for their fictive banks that are designed for that purpose, to be sanctioned sooner or later? It's too late now. If they were hit REALLY hard the first time they sent their army into Ukraine territory and took over Crimea, story would probably be a lot different now. But we did nothing and they are laughing at us.
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I'd be very surprised if this doesn't turn out to be spot on.
 
Even the outskirts of Lviv now. That’s where all our family and friends are.
 
I really tried to avoid this thread but will say this, majority of you have not fecking idea how it looks when your country is being attacked, how life looks during attack period, while everybody around you playing politics, claim morality, call on international law when it fits them and similar bullshit.

I feel sorry for all poor people in Ukraine that will suffer in this shitshow, people in between bunch of cnuts that have nothing to do with it but will pay the price at the end sadly.
 
There are 40million Ukrainians
Will a fierce determined resistance from natives emerge (urban/rural) once this Russian invasion is complete and a puppet government is installed?

Will Ukrainians mount an insurgency and strike into the heart of Russia with terrorism?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Highly unlikely they weren’t assuming Russia would target any military infra straight away to be honest.
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Quite. That’s what any competent military strategist would do but Russians did level Grozny to the ground in the 90’s after getting ambushed there so you never know.
 
Paxi said:
Hopefully this is over quickly to avoid mass civilian casualties.
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No way Ukraine puts up with this. There will be partisan movements and for sure they will siege in Lviv.

This is not Crimea.
 
I have no idea how strong the resistance of the Ukrainian troops will be. Is it possible that the attack will end today with the bulk of the Ukrainian military surrendering? Or will the Ukrainians fight to the last bullet?
 
Those experts like Kofman and Rob Lee had great analysis and unfortunately were pretty much spot on. Amazing what kind of clues experts can derive from the evidence collected.
 
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