Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Kostov said:
Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.
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Don't think this excuses what Russia is doing, although yes it is very hypocritical of the US and UK to be up in arms over this given they invaded a country on knowingly false information not more than 2 decades ago.

Few countries are completely innocent (although Ukraine is definitely one that hasn't had any involvement in recent wars) but that doesn't mean any country should go about invading others and balk at criticism against it.
 
ColoRed said:
I have no idea how strong the resistance of the Ukrainian troops will be. Is it possible that the attack will end today with the bulk of the Ukrainian military surrendering? Or will the Ukrainians fight to the last bullet?
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Most analysts agree this war should be over fairly quickly, the real question becomes if Ukraine will mount a meaningful insurgency, no one really knows the answer to this but wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't expect someone to leave their home and start shooting soldiers with an AK, that's a lot to ask of anyone.
 
Simbo said:
Don't confuse this with another Crimea, this war won't be over within a couple years and the western world isn't ready for the amount of images and videos about to plaster our screens of mangled civilians.
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if it’s too uncomfortable or causes people to ask the wrong kind of questions then it simply won’t be shown. give it two days and the font page of the sun will be some boobed up trollop complaining that she has to feed her son beef burgers for breakfast because petrol prices are too high.
 
VorZakone said:
Those experts like Kofman and Rob Lee had great analysis and unfortunately were pretty much spot on. Amazing what kind of clues experts can derive from the evidence collected.
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To be fair the same should be said of US intelligence, they predicted everything nearly to a T months ago.
 
Enigma_87 said:
No way Ukraine puts up with this. There will be partisan movements and for sure they will siege in Lviv.

This is not Crimea.
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We’ll I’m choosing to believe Putin in regards to him saying that he’s not looking to occupy. Hopefully there is some semblance of ‘diplomacy’ at the end of this.
 
VorZakone said:
Those experts like Kofman and Rob Lee had great analysis and unfortunately were pretty much spot on. Amazing what kind of clues experts can derive from the evidence collected.
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They’re really are excellent. That other guy to lesser extent. Kofman is pretty much a genius in my eyes now. Everything he said literally came to pass.
 
ColoRed said:
I have no idea how strong the resistance of the Ukrainian troops will be. Is it possible that the attack will end today with the bulk of the Ukrainian military surrendering? Or will the Ukrainians fight to the last bullet?
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There is zero chance of it being over within a few days, highly unlikely it'll be over within a few years.
 
My God, Sky News have someone on blaming this on the West for not giving in to Putin’s demands. No challenge from presenter.

He’s not a nutter, but where are the morals and ethics in all this?
 
Paxi said:
We’ll I’m choosing to believe Putin in regards to him saying that he’s not looking to occupy. Hopefully there is some semblance of ‘diplomacy’ at the end of this.
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Yes. Let's believe in Putin after all that has happened. Let's believe in Putin and hope the Ukrainian army gives up so this is all over quickly.
 
Paxi said:
They’re really are excellent. That other guy to lesser extent. Kofman is pretty much a genius in my eyes now. Everything he said literally came to pass.
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Yeah Kofman was the best.
 
Paxi said:
We’ll I’m choosing to believe Putin in regards to him saying that he’s not looking to occupy. Hopefully there is some semblance of ‘diplomacy’ at the end of this.
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I was hoping the same, yet didn't expect things to escalate so quickly, so we can't rule anything out at this point.
 
sport2793 said:
To be fair the same should be said of US intelligence, they predicted everything nearly to a T months ago.
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Yeah but one is IC whom have billions in budget and double agents within the Russian military. Those two guys have just been studying Russian military and those that have key positions. Pretty amazing that they were so spot on.
 
Almost impossible to say how effective the Ukrainian defense will be, there's some encouraging reports coming out of inicial successes but also impossible to verify anything.

There is an information war being waged too, which will no doubt be aided by some western politicians. Hopefully the Russian sympathisers will be shunned from society fairly quickly.
 
Sly said:
Yes. Let's believe in Putin after all that has happened. Let's believe in Putin and hope the Ukrainian army gives up so this is all over quickly.
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I said I’m choosing to as in a hopeful way. An occupation doesn’t make much sense, certainly not with potential insurgency.
 
This guy's info is usually legit.



Also reports of another Russian plane shot down but not verified.
 
Is there a possibility this will all end really soon?

To explain my self:

Ukraine and NATO played a Russian roulette with Putin.....talks of Ukraine joining NATO, joining EU....
All sounds a bit like the Russians deploying missiles on Cuba.
Too close to comfort.

In this case, too close to comfort for Russians.
So, Putin had no options but to act like a rat under attack - fight back.

Today shows that the West isn't up for a full scale WWIII.
Which is fine by me. Hate wars.

So, Putin got what he wanted and showed what he's capable of.
They bring back all the military and leave Ukraine alone, under the condition they don't flirt with the West.

Win - win for everyone? (well, not for Ukraine, or the west to be honest....but, at least nobody dies in a dumbass war)
 
Apparently the main worry right now is a large tank push out of Crimea.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Yeah, I didn't expect he would go all the way with this. We're at the point that we could consider everything from him.
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I was fence sitting until Lukashenko batshit crazy claims after meeting with Putin and further from the fence after Putin's speech.
 
Paxi said:
Yeah but one is IC whom have billions in budget and double agents within the Russian military. Those two guys have just been studying Russian military and those that have key positions. Pretty amazing that they were so spot on.
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I mean Rob Lee I agree with but Kofman is one of the leading experts on the Russian military in the US working at one of the most prestigious think tanks, wouldn't be surprised if he had access to pieces of intelligence throughout this crisis and/or was consulted by the WH/Pentagon.
 
R'hllor said:
I really tried to avoid this thread but will say this, majority of you have not fecking idea how it looks when your country is being attacked, how life looks during attack period, while everybody around you playing politics, claim morality, call on international law when it fits them and similar bullshit.

I feel sorry for all poor people in Ukraine that will suffer in this shitshow, people in between bunch of cnuts that have nothing to do with it but will pay the price at the end sadly.
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Always like that. I lived through 10 years of civil war like you, Iived through NATO bombings (was in the military then). I know what you mean. I just hope the Ukraine gives up quickly to save lives, they can't win this.
 
Any news on sanctions? I mean, this is it. This is the moment for the most extreme sanctions the West can impose...
 
Simbo said:
This guy's info is usually legit.



Also reports of another Russian plane shot down but not verified.
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If there are literally thousands of tanks and hundreds of planes involved, plus over 150,000 troops, is there much point to this unverified dripfeed of minutiae.
 
To be fair to the US, they predicted Russia's actions to a T for the last few months. I'm very impressed and can't help but hope this level of intel can help Ukraine in a big way.
 
DickDastardly said:
Is there a possibility this will all end really soon?

To explain my self:

Ukraine and NATO played a Russian roulette with Putin.....talks of Ukraine joining NATO, joining EU....
All sounds a bit like the Russians deploying missiles on Cuba.
Too close to comfort.

In this case, too close to comfort for Russians.
So, Putin had no options but to act like a rat under attack - fight back.

Today shows that the West isn't up for a full scale WWIII.
Which is fine by me. Hate wars.

So, Putin got what he wanted and showed what he's capable of.
They bring back all the military and leave Ukraine alone, under the condition they don't flirt with the West.

Win - win for everyone? (well, not for Ukraine, or the west to be honest....but, at least nobody dies in a dumbass war)
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I agree. The sooner this ends the better. In fact, let Putin have Ukraine. As long as innocent people don't get killed.
 
Paxi said:


Russia crippling all Ukrainian military infrastructure. There is not much soldiers can do when they literally have no ammo to fight with. No air defence or air support. In a way I’m relieved that this doesn’t seem like it will be as bloody battle as some predicted. At least normal people will get to see their families again.
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It’s not like it’s going to be the end of it?
 
Stookie said:
Well, one thing Putin has managed to do is unite all His opponents.
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Hardly - they seem het up in discussions over which sanctions to impose that don't immediately hamper their own economies, whilst getting in a muddle over what constitutes a legitimate invasion. I'd say the response of the West thus far will be music to the ears of the Kremlin, and I imagine Taiwan will be watching on with dread.
 
UncleBob said:
:lol:
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What’s so funny about that? Russian occupation of Ukraine isn’t happening. There is going to be a resistance from a large number of insurgents possibly propped up and funded by the West.

I cannot see how it’s a bad take where one doesn’t expect a protracted occupation of a country that has about 50 million people.
 
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