Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Kostov said:
Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.
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Ban please
 
TMDaines said:
Depressing, but true. Sanctions were just the pricing up of Crimea, Donbas, now the rest of Ukraine.
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I posted the article below, before. The guy hits the nail on the head. Putin has weighed up that inaction now will probably be worse for him in the long term. It’s a good objective article imo.

 
Enigma_87 said:
Ukraine still would act as a cushion. He'll instill pro-Russian government and give the East some independent state status.
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There is no cushion whatsoever. Russia already shares borders with NATO countries. If anything it is now a conflict zone right on NATO borders. There was none of it. Russian is moving with wars towards NATO, not vice versa. The aggressor annexed parts of Georgia, the Crimea, and now Ukraine thus doing everything to provoke NATO. Who needs a cushion from who?
 
berbatrick said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it normal for (what seems like) civilian traffic to be around while military vehicles from a different country are going past? Seems a bit surreal.
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I’m not going to answer directly as I’m not an expert but it makes sense that the military are taking the same routes — it’s faster & easier for all of their heavy machinery. But it does make it even more surreal. Poor guys.
 
TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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It would not be off the table. You think Putin would get his ass kicked and just pipe down? I don’t think he would. Nuclear weapons is Russias biggest leverage — of course he’d consider using it in a total disaster scenario from his pov.
 
frostbite said:
But why Europeans would "live in poverty"? Putin would never ever try to have a war against Europe. He is not that crazy.
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A full scale cold war will skyrocket prices all across Europe. If EU engages backing Russia into a corner they will engage back. There's also the pandemic. Putin chose the right time unfortunately and is well prepared. Europe is weak at the moment and no one will risk WW III at the expense of Ukraine.
 
harms said:
Listening to them talk is even more heartbreaking.
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Quite clear that they’re scared in case one of the passengers starts something. It’s chilling to think that this is happening so close to us with basically our closest people.
 
frostbite said:
Russia has 145 million people and 1.7 trillion GPA.

The European Union has 450 million people and 17 trillion GPA.

And yet, it is the EU that seems to be weak and helpless. How is this possible?

The whole problem was caused because Ukraine wanted to be a part of Europe and not a part of Russia, and Europe did nothing substantial to prevent the invasion.
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Because Russia is one country and the EU roughly 27. It takes the EU months to agree on what colour toilet paper should be used at HQ, can’t imagine how long it would take before they agree on what action to take against Russia, be it fear of retaliation, gas pipeline, who should be the ‘leader’ etc
 
Paxi said:
It would not be off the table. You think Putin would get his ass kicked and just pipe down? I don’t think he would. Nuclear weapons is Russias biggest leverage — of course he’d consider using it in a total disaster scenario from his pov.
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He knows that would mean annihilation for him and his people though, no future

so essentially it would be a case of we’ve lost…..let’s press the button so we can all lose??
 
Enigma_87 said:
A full scale cold war will skyrocket prices all across Europe. If EU engages backing Russia into a corner they will engage back. There's also the pandemic. Putin chose the right time unfortunately and is well prepared. Europe is weak at the moment and no one will risk WW III at the expense of Ukraine.
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oh no, not my totally made up cost of things any way. they can’t take that from me.
 
frostbite said:
The 17 trillion economy has more to lose than the 1.7 million economy? In what universe?
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The 1.7 economy can lose maximum 1.7. The 17 can lise 10 times more because they have it. Simple math. They have more to lose bc they have more
 
There’s a good article floating around. Russia moving away from the dollar. Having large gold reserves. Having potentially sanctions of their own. So just sanctioning the shit out of Russia is not as black and white.
 
crappycraperson said:
Anyone crying for military action from the west, better have served in the military themselves.
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Yeah, I can't believe there are people begging for this. It would be a full out war which could bring in many other countries or terror groups who will see it as a chance to take shots at the US, UK etc. whilst they are busy doing something else
 
Kostov said:
Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.
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Can we ban this guy?
 
Denis79 said:
This is a win for NATO either way. And it's 100% calculated imo. Never mattered if Russia invaded or not, the fear of Russia in the east was the boost NATO needed to have a surge in power / importance. Other nations will join in mass now. Ukraine was an unfortunate sacrifice.
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I don't buy this. It means that NATO is some sort of joined up Machiavellian organisation with a complex and overarching plan. It's tantamount to a conspircay theory. The problem with these types of conspiracy theories is that they rely on the perpetrators having amazing foresight, command and competency over geopolitical matters. Most governments can't even run a domestic health service efficiently. In reality NATO can't even get most of it's members to pay the dues they agreed to.
 
Crazy to even see this is happening.

Out of curiosity, what has been the Chinese stance on all of this? Does anyone know?
 
This feels surreal. So close to our border too, and people here genuinely think they will invade Poland too, which I don’t think is any realistic but still causes plenty of panic and chaos.

I have many Ukrainians at work including part of my team, this feels so bad right now.
 
Water Melon said:
There is no cushion whatsoever. Russia already shares borders with NATO countries. If anything it is now a conflict zone right on NATO borders. There was none of it. Russian is moving with wars towards NATO, not vice versa. The aggressor annexed parts of Georgia, the Crimea, and now Ukraine thus doing everything to provoke NATO. Who needs a cushion from who?
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Ukraine is key. It's a big territory that shares both water and land borders. If Putin allows it to become a NATO state this means they will be knocking on his door.

He is definitely the aggressor mind. Which is why he doesn't want to be a direct neighbour on the south with NATO. Besides as someone else already said the Baltic countries and Ukraine demographics are different.
 
Putin has fundamentally changed European dynamics. Incredible that he was so willing to damage all relationships with the West.
 
God bless the Ukrainian people

I hope this doesnt escalate out of control into a NATO v Russia war otherwise Europe is finished...
 
TheLiverBird said:
He knows that would mean annihilation for him and his people though, no future

so essentially it would be a case of we’ve lost…..let’s press the button so we can all lose??
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Yes. Mutual assured destruction was always on the table during Cold War. It was Americans whom decided to try and fight Soviet Union in a conventional war. So Putin will be well aquatinted with potential consequences.
 
Denis79 said:
This is a win for NATO either way. And it's 100% calculated imo. Never mattered if Russia invaded or not, the fear of Russia in the east was the boost NATO needed to have a surge in power / importance. Other nations will join in mass now. Ukraine was an unfortunate sacrifice.
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I hope we see EU countries step up from a defense perspective due to this crisis. EU contains some of the most successful military countries in human history. Germany needs to rise from the ashes and learn to use power in a good way to help protect and support their neighbors.
 
West with its obsession of control have led to this. There was no need for to flirt with Ukraine for NATO membership ( and then leave it stranding) . Last time world went to the brink of nuclear war when a country near US was aligning itself to Soviets. This situation could have been easily avoided.

Putin has called the bluff of US and European powers. I am now worried what this means for Taiwan.
 
If people want the West to step in, they better be prepared for WW3 tomorrow.

It's a delicate balance peeps. At what price freedom?
 
TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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I think it's extremely unlikely but it isn't completely off the table

if Putin is losing his marbles who knows how far he'll go
 
TheLiverBird said:
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.

Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.

it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.

it’s weak
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A 70 year old guy that has not much quality years of life left might gives 0 fecks. Specially if is going to lose and risk being killed or trialed as war criminal
 
Sarni said:
This feels surreal. So close to our border too, and people here genuinely think they will invade Poland too, which I don’t think is any realistic but still causes plenty of panic and chaos.

I have many Ukrainians at work including part of my team, this feels so bad right now.
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Yeah, my wife is worried about it, I keep trying to reassure her but she keeps worrying.
 
SoCross said:
Crazy to even see this is happening.

Out of curiosity, what has been the Chinese stance on all of this? Does anyone know?
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They are cushioning the impact of sanctions on Russia, and at the same time trying to avoid giving attention to the "separatist support" from Russia, ref. Taiwan.
 
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