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the hea said:












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If this is legit then Prigozhin is still messaging that he was correct in what he did, which may further annoy Putin and his inner circle goons. More ominously, it would suggest Prigozhin hasn't in any way been muzzled and can continue fomenting whatever he wants.
 
Prigozhin positions himself clearly as Putin's successor. His Wagners showed strength and the MoD's weakness, many Russian people love strength, so they sided with him and that gave him the certainty that he has definetly a chance in the future to take the power in Russia. This will continue to be interesting because Putin will definetly try to kill him and Lukashenko will be in the middle of it. Both men will force pressure on him and it will be interesting to see who he'll sell out. A mafia power struggle awaits Russia in the forseeable future.

And Prigozhin's threat could be the reason why Putin decides to keep Shoigu and Gerasimov. They are both weak and would never try to overthrow him and secondly, if he gets rid of them, he only strengthens Prigozhin's position by accepting his demands.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Prigozhin positions himself clearly as Putin's successor. His Wagners showed strength and the MoD's weakness, many Russian people love strength, so they sided with him and that gave him the certainty that he has definetly a chance in the future to take the power in Russia. This will continue to be interesting because Putin will definetly try to kill him and Lukashenko will be in the middle of it. Both men will force pressure on him and it will be interesting to see who he'll sell out. A mafia power struggle awaits Russia in the forseeable future.

And Prigozhin's threat could be the reason why Putin decides to keep Shoigu and Gerasimov. They are both weak and would never try to overthrow him and secondly, if he gets rid of them, he only strengthens Prigozhin's position by accepting his demands.
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"most promising politician"
 
Ragnar123 said:
Prigozhin positions himself clearly as Putin's successor. His Wagners showed strength and the MoD's weakness, many Russian people love strength, so they sided with him and that gave him the certainty that he has definetly a chance in the future to take the power in Russia. This will continue to be interesting because Putin will definetly try to kill him and Lukashenko will be in the middle of it. Both men will force pressure on him and it will be interesting to see who he'll sell out. A mafia power struggle awaits Russia in the forseeable future.

And Prigozhin's threat could be the reason why Putin decides to keep Shoigu and Gerasimov. They are both weak and would never try to overthrow him and secondly, if he gets rid of them, he only strengthens Prigozhin's position by accepting his demands.
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Agreed. If Putin is planning on killing him, he may want to first gradually disassemble Wagner as they would surely revolt if something happened to Prigozhin. Plus Putin desperately needs Wagner to keep fighting in Ukraine to avoid further loses, so it may be more complicated than previously thought.
 
Prigozhin might be Lukashenko's best ever chance to finally get rid of Putin. I really wonder if he will try to make Wagner his useful army to be able to withstand Putin.
 
stefan92 said:
Prigozhin might be Lukashenko's best ever chance to finally get rid of Putin. I really wonder if he will try to make Wagner his useful army to be able to withstand Putin.
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Why do you think he wants rid of Putin? If it wasn't for him he would have been an ex dictator by now, probably drinking vodka with Yanukovich.
 
Raoul said:
I'm sure they have troops in the north, but not to deal with a Wagner offensive on Kiev. They would need some reinforcements to offset the fact that they're not fighting conventional Russian army units, but rather hardened fighters who are better equipped. What these guys are up to in Belarus will no doubt be monitored.
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Are they, though? I thought their force had mostly been augmented by prisoners. They rely pretty much entirely on the Russian MoD for equipment, why would they be getting first dibs over other units?
 
MTF said:
Are they, though? I thought their force had mostly been augmented by prisoners. They rely pretty much entirely on the Russian MoD for equipment, why would they be getting first dibs over other units?
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Augmented by yes, but their core fighters are still largely in place. The people who rolled into Rostov to an amicable reception by the locals were definitely not prisoners.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66023631

Wagner mutiny: Prigozhin's soldiers rage while others cry conspiracy

Yevgeny Prigozhin may have boasted he had the loyalty of all 25,000 members of his mercenary army, but it seems that may have shifted as quickly as the Wagner Group's rebellion petered out.

In online messages analysed by BBC Verify, Wagner troops and their relatives raged against Prigozhin's decision to halt his dramatic march on Moscow and withdraw from the captured city of Rostov. "The bald waste of space destroyed Wagner PMC with his own hands. And screwed everyone he could," fumed one online poster claiming to be a Wagner fighter on a Telegram channel with 200,000 followers.
 
These lads just repeating themselves.
 
the hea said:
To me this just made it even more apparent that Putin has no idea how to handle this situation.
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Yeah agreed. Should have acted like was unimportant/beneath him and not even addressed it - better that than waffle
 
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