This is exaggerated, too. Most Russians probably did not understand what exactly was happening. The whole thing lasted only 24 hours or something. And the Russian TV did not give out any info. The Wagner guys were probably lying to the Russians that they encountered, they could even be telling them that they have orders from Putin, and the Russians did not really know what was going on. That's why the civilians were so friendly and did not show any fear.
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This is exaggerated, too. Most Russians probably did not understand what exactly was happening. The whole thing lasted only 24 hours or something. And the Russian TV did not give out any info. The Wagner guys were probably lying to the Russians that they encountered, they could even be telling them that they have orders from Putin, and the Russians did not really know what was going on. That's why the civilians were so friendly and did not show any fear.
If Prigozhin found out that Shoigu finally had permission from Putin to terminate him ... all risks were much less than what was awaiting him.
And neither Putin, nor anyone else expected that Prigozhin would be crazy enough to do what he did.
At the very least Putin will now be incredibly worried about how quickly Wagner made progress heading towards Moscow, and equally Rostov. And he will be looking at how to prevent it if it happened again. But what does he do? Can he afford to create a ring of steel around the population centres and military bases? Or can he reduce the threat of Wagner by disarming or disbanding them? Both of those options seem to me to be filled with problems. Russia needs functional, modern equipment, and trained, experienced soldiers in Ukraine and it needs them now.
I cede to your clearly greater knowledge and experience of Russia, and what you say is logical. But then it seems that YP has made a catastrophic error by turning his troops around. Maybe it’s that simple, maybe Prig has taken Putin at his word and will soon pay the price.
Another settlement liberated in the Zaporizhzia region
Ah, no, I have very little knowledge of Russia and I actually have no idea what happened and why... I am just discussing my ideas, and I don't overestimate my ideas, I know I could be completely wrong, I have no real knowledge.
But from what I read here and on BBC, this theory that I created made sense to me. Prigozhin is just a thug, he is not a master strategist. Perhaps in that mess they created, nobody knew what he was doing, neither Prigozhin nor Putin nor anyone else.
I’ve just had to rewatch that Blackadder election skit where the returning officer “accidentally brutally stabbed himself in the stomach while shaving”
Most of those gains happened before this event though. That means if this event has some effect, we will likely to see more bigger gains in the next few days.
It's also an example of the delay in reports of Ukrainian movements currently. Unless its being screamed about on Russia telegram, we won't know.
People can decide for themselves what is misinformation and what not.
True, the video was filmed yesterday. We get the info one day later. Today they could be further south already. Staromaiorsk is pretty vulnerable from three sides right now. It should be next.
So much for Russia's unity
True, the video was filmed yesterday. We get the info one day later. Today they could be further south already. Staromaiorsk is pretty vulnerable from three sides right now. It should be next.
So much for Russia's unity
It must be frustrating for the mighty Russian army to lose to an Oblast.I've stopped posting his stuff.
@nimic having pepsi max party as we speak
If he gets some Coke Zero, I'll join in.
christ even the bottle is so bland
I'll get some tomorrow in your honour.
This guy is reminiscent of an 80s actor playing a drunken Soviet premier.
That summary is spot on. I swear he was an actor in the Peculiarities of the National.Fishing series of movies.
True, the video was filmed yesterday. We get the info one day later. Today they could be further south already. Staromaiorsk is pretty vulnerable from three sides right now. It should be next.
So much for Russia's unity
All it took was 18 months of war, over 100,000 Russians dead, their economy in the toilet and their country a terrorist state for her to start asking herself what the feck they're doing in Ukraine.
Just like his personality
Lime Pepsi Max - my man of good taste
I'll get some tomorrow in your honour.
I haven't seen any evidence he's in Belarus at all. The fact that he's gone silent is equally as ominous.
Yeh its a completely unconfirmed rumour, just funny.
Lime is the best one indeed. Mango is not as good, but ok for a change.
I'll get some tomorrow in your honour.
Huge if true. It seems as the UA is slowly but surely increasing the heat in multiple fronts without specifically targeting one, which (if done right) could make the RA retreat from multiple fronts at the same time without giving them much options to reinforce one or the other. Let's hope good news keep coming.
PS: Maybe the thread title should go back yo focus on Ukraine, as Prigozhin sack/window watch feels like a sideshow now.
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I don't think we even get the mango one up here. Maybe I just haven't looked for it, I'm nothing of not conservative when it comes to choice in soda.
I am not sure Lukashenko would look fondly on that decision
Feels more like a Psy-Op against Ukraine so that they consider removing some southern and eastern front line troops to protect the north, which would of course diminish the counteroffensive.
I am sure Ukraine has plenty of reserve in that area already.
I'm sure they have troops in the north, but not to deal with a Wagner offensive on Kiev. They would need some reinforcements to offset the fact that they're not fighting conventional Russian army units, but rather hardened fighters who are better equipped. What these guys are up to in Belarus will no doubt be monitored.
They failed with much larger force last years Feb. Sure they are better trained, but not invisible to shrapnel. I am sure if they attempted something like saturday, they'll get obliterated without the necessity to deploy a larger force for it.