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I'm sure this is exactly what the troops in the airforce wants to hear after 13 of their colleagues where killed yesterday. It will really build up the trust between the armed forces and the political leaders.
 
Simbo said:
Putin went through all this trouble so he could be a bit more fascist?
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Hell, I don’t know. This whole thing doesn’t make much sense. Probably the best explanation I’ve seen on it was posted earlier in the newbies…

JediSith said:
But what if what happened is the reality of things. No play no agenda or plot.

A general of a private army got a bit brave and decided to try and take control of Moscow.

Putin could have easily ordered his airforce to bomb them from the sky and end the march much earlier but realised it would look bad and also didn’t want to risk Russian civilians.

When close to Moscow the general gets a call that tells him either or both of 1) they will now get bombed by fighter jets if they don’t stop or 2) details of each of his key mens family are provided, maybe with pics. The general realises that his own men might turn on him to save their lives or family. A deal is agreed and he retreats.
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the hea said:
I'm sure this is exactly what the troops in the airforce wants to hear after 13 of their colleagues where killed yesterday. It will really build up the trust between the armed forces and the political leaders.
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What sources have confirmed the aircraft and pilot losses, thus far?

Is there anything concrete or it just Telegram conjecture?

I'm aware there are some vids of MIs being shot down, but they're not exactly verified.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
What sources have confirmed the aircraft and pilot losses, thus far?

Is there anything concrete or it just Telegram conjecture?

I'm aware there are some vids of MIs being shot down, but they're not exactly verified.
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Verified by who? It's not like Russia is being open about their losses in this war.

https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12898
https://t.me/rybar/48990

These are large pro Russian Telegram channels with connections in the VKS. That is as close to anything official we are gonna get from the Russian side.
 
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17 Van der Gouw said:
What sources have confirmed the aircraft and pilot losses, thus far?

Is there anything concrete or it just Telegram conjecture?

I'm aware there are some vids of MIs being shot down, but they're not exactly verified.
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And would you believe what the sources say anyway.
 
Carolina Red said:
Intense footage

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Every time I see a footage like this, my brain moves back and forth between, "oh it's like the movies or a video game" and "I'm watching a video of someone who could get killed at any seconds while trying to kill other people".

Pretty strange.
 
This is at the south side of the river at the base of the destroyed Antonovsky bridge, Russian Telegram channels are saying that around 50 Ukrainian SOFs have been able to set up positions at the base of the bridge and Russian forces have had to retreat from the area due to heavy artillery fire.
 
VorZakone said:
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Yet another one of some of the largest psychopaths they have running around there and that's saying something. It is notable for the clout he has and especially his traditionally close ties to top Russian defense leadership, but other than that this is one of those enemy of my enemy situations where no one should want this guy to be near a position of power either. Someone who operated like a Merc while being directly employed by the Russian military. He makes Prigozhin sound reasonable.
 
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VorZakone said:
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Imagine having respect for the guy who caused probably half of UA's losses in the whole war by using some of the horrific human waves attacks...because he wanted to show how competent he was.

Hopefully, it is just a PR to make it more awkward among them.
 
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By the way, I can't help but chuckle at how wild all of this was. From invading Ukraine to having to protect fecking Moscow from an internal enemy. I think if you predicted this pre-invasion you'd be laughed out of the room and probably get recommended to see a doctor.
 
The United said:
Imagine having respect for the guy who caused probably half of UA's losses in the whole war by using some of the horrific human waves attacks...because he wanted to show how competent he was.

Hopefully, it is just a PR to make it more awkward among them.
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It probably is true. Wagner might fight extremely brutal, but it is also effective and Prigozhin indeed never talked in the typical racist way about Ukrainians that the typical Russian does. For Prigozhin this always was a war between equal people and he often talked about the honorable fight and how strong and powerful the Ukrainian army is, how patriotic their soldiers are etc.
 
stefan92 said:
It probably is true. Wagner might fight extremely brutal, but it is also effective and Prigozhin indeed never talked in the typical racist way about Ukrainians that the typical Russian does. For Prigozhin this always was a war between equal people and he often talked about the honorable fight and how strong and powerful the Ukrainian army is, how patriotic their soldiers are etc.
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Well, if they could ignore all the bad sh*t his organization has done everywhere, including in UA, not calling them nazis would earn him some respect from them, I guess.

I mean, feck all of them would have been better. He is a brutal warlord who does not seem to have any loyalty to anyone. This event should not make him appear in a better light at all.
 
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If I could be a fly on the wall when Xi Jinping was briefed on the situation in Russia.

 
Redplane said:
Yet another one of some of the largest psychopaths they have running around there and that's saying something. It is notable for the clout he has and especially his traditionally close ties to top Russian defense leadership, but other than that this is one of those enemy of my enemy situations where no one should want this guy to be near a position of power either. Someone who operated like a Merc while being directly employed by the Russian military. He makes Prigozhin sound reasonable.
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One would imagine the ultranationalist crowd in Russia would agree with Girkin. They probably see Putin as weak after getting humiliated in Ukraine and then again by Prigozhin -- fleeing the capital at the slightest sign of trouble no less.
 
Oly Francis said:
Every time I see a footage like this, my brain moves back and forth between, "oh it's like the movies or a video game" and "I'm watching a video of someone who could get killed at any seconds while trying to kill other people".

Pretty strange.
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This war is going to change the way present day war movies are filmed in that audiences are going to demand this type of realistic, almost Doom like first person footage.
 
the hea said:
I'm sure this is exactly what the troops in the airforce wants to hear after 13 of their colleagues where killed yesterday. It will really build up the trust between the armed forces and the political leaders.
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Probably reflective of the fact that there's a lot of sympathy for Wagner as evidenced by how positively they were received in Rostov,. Prigozhin is apparently also a bit of a populist, so not entirely unexpected politicians wouldn't want to run afoul of public sentiment.
 
So who is in charge of the RA from now on? Surovikin, who lost the most important city regarding the invasion and operations center in a couple of hours? Shoigu, who nobody likes, is nowhere to be found and somehow got a battlefront open south of Moscow during his watch? Or Putin, who allegedly ran away from his capital and then forgave a mutiny letting its leader escape, even when only hours ago he syndicated him as a traitor and a backstabber?

Surely some guys at the battlefront are making themselves the same questions.
 
Krakenzero said:
So who is in charge of the RA from now on? Surovikin, who lost the most important city regarding the invasion and operations center in a couple of hours? Shoigu, who nobody likes, is nowhere to be found and somehow got a battlefront open south of Moscow during his watch? Or Putin, who allegedly ran away from his capital and then forgave a mutiny letting its leader escape, even when only hours ago he syndicated him as a traitor and a backstabber?

Surely some guys at the battlefront are making themselves the same questions.
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Pretty much anyone Putin wants and trusts. And it could literally be anyone since Shoigu himself isn't actually a military officer, but rather an old commie hack who befriended Putin and got the MOD job because Putin wanted to diversify power away from his old St. Pete posse so they couldn't move on him.

Now that Shoigu and Gerasimov have been exposed as specialists in failure, I wouldn't be surprised if Putin eventually replaced both with new lackey he feels comfortable won't move on him.
 
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