A selection of Russians asked what they think about the Wagners one month ago.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Two minutes was the time needed, as it turned out
Looks like its about to get real, with Kadyrovs mob on the outskirts of Rostov, (but believe it or not, stuck in a traffic jam).
If Kadyrov and his cronies get smashed and Chechnya is on the path to liberation, thats one thing to be thankful for.
If Kadyrov and his cronies get smashed and Chechnya is on the path to liberation, thats one thing to be thankful for.
Placing blame would imply that this is a negative, but you are right that the contrarians will find a way to do what they do.
To me, this is a total vindication of the support the west has given Ukraine. The futility of the war effort for the Russians have led to this.
Well, there are the idiot Tankies who love Russia regardless of its fascist dictator, and there are the insane right wingers who just love Russia's white nationalist, pseudo-Christian dictator and want one of their own.
At this point surely the west have to demand Russia hands over its nukes, similar to how Ukraine were made to do in order to be accepted as a nation.
You can't leave any vestige of this Russism behavior standing. Let the regions have autonomy and break up the Russian infrastructure of oppression.
The reputation of their military is in tatters and they could just dissolve into selling off dangerous weapons to the highest bidder.
I guess this is good news short term, but what about long term? This prigo fella seems to be as much of a psychopath as putin...
Like Sudan?
The mental gymnastics of the Anti-West people has really been something to witness during this conflict. People have literally been bending over backwards to try to find ways to justify Russia invading Ukraine. These same people who would claim to be anti capitalist, anti war etc.
Putin believes in totalitarianism and wants to reestablish the USSR. He started the war, lying the Russian people about his intentions with the war. "America aren't exactly innocent?"
US is on the side of democracy and Western liberalism. So am I.
If they manage to transport them without getting shot down its game over
I'm not sure i would like to see the sledgehammer guy in charge of Russia tbh.
The war on Ukraine has seemed like a Putin vanity project for a long time. You would think that anyone else there would see finding a way to bring the war to an end and trying to rebuild the shambles Russia is currently in as a more sensible course of action. Or at least you would hope so.
Agree. But if you take a US lens to this, a lot of it just comes down to the general polarization and the Republicans refusing to back anything the administration does. Everything must be criticized, even if that means going to bat for the Russians.
Where would Putin likely escape to? Which country would be most attractive to him from shielding him from prosecution for the rest of his days and allow him access to his funds?
No country in their right mind is going to give up nukes, so I'm pretty sure noone would prolong the war by insisting on it.
He could make a deal with the West, and that would be the logical thing to do. But this is a guy who heads up a savage mercenary group and spreads propaganda and otherwise interferes in foreign elections. His bread and butter is pretty nefarious. Doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to make peace and rebuild in the long term.
The regions are controlled by oligarchs and the neighbouring states (with their artificial borders, in that they dont reflect ethnic realities on the ground- ironically much like with crimea etc) are run predominately by dictators. Without Putins centralised power, and lets be honest the fear of brutal reprisals from him and his cronies, you could end up with civil war type conflicts all across the ex-russian territories. But then again, War is profitable.
The Republic of Mar a Lago!
In an ideal world Wagner group could have dialogue with the West and instead of more bloodshed use their perceived strong position to broker dialogue with Putin.
Yeah that's idealistic but we have yet to see what Wagner group really want, is it power or just revenge on Putin.
The West should really be putting pressure on Putin now to end the war, he is in a very weak position and a push to end all bloodshed should be priority, instead of sitting back and allowing more civilians to die.
And quite frankly some of the comments I have received back regarding Russian civilians are disgusting and show some on here in there real light.
Should be banned but that's another matter entirely.
TLDR: Belarussian regiment fighting in Ukraine with the message to belarussians - be ready, wait for our signal.
Actually using Ukraine as an example is precisely why no regime is going to give up nukes. Especially by its enemies politely demanding it.
I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. No one would expect them to do anyting out of kindness. But the argument would be that seeking peace in exchange for economic assurances would be in their own self interest.
Pulling Stallone into this is risky
The fact that both Putin and Lukashenko have fled makes me think that this is indeed actually quite a big deal.
As mad as this is getting I wouldn't be surprised to see Putin asking for, and getting, Nato help to defeat Wagner.
The West need to be involved now in terms of putting the pressure on Putin.
He is in a weak position and is danger of seeing his position of power crumble.
Maybe dialogue with the Wagner group is not out of the question to ascertain exactly what they want from this.
So Macron should call again?
Tonight could be decisive for Putin's regime, even his life. Reports saying a big Wagner column with around 400 vehicles and reportedly Prigozhin's most trusted and best fighters is forcing it's way towards Moscow, by passing every big town and settlement. They also drive in distance to each other, so Russian aviation attacks do only limited damage. Their objective is pretty clear and if they manage to enter Moscow/Kremlin, no one can predict further actions. If even one important person changes sides, it could trigger a domino effect and Putin's reign will be over.
I think his focus first of all is Donetsk, and this conflict is clearly not helping his war. If Prigozhin comes out on top, though, I believe he and and Girkin could come to agreement.
Or perhaps Russian NATO membership to defeat Prigozhin ?
Running out of space in my veins to inject all of these updates.
Not sure Macron is exactly the strongest of guys, to much of a pal with Putin to be forceful.
can't believe you're all wasting your time on this nonsense when we're so close to signing Mason Mount