Haven’t been following this, can anyone give me a brief summary of what’s going on please?
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Well alright but some are useless like a old Austin Metro and others are useless like a DIY deep sea submersible.
Nothing at all wrong with being anti Tory.
It's the "biden doesn't know what week it is" which is straight out of the far right playbook.
Also the Biden administration has been almost 100% on point in their support of Ukraine. Only critism has been their reluctance to their deliver longer range missiles of fear of escalation that leads to a war of attrition but its been overwhelmingly better than what the EU has managed.
Shit, this is getting real isn’t it? What’s the likely outcome of all this? Anyone know what the aim is apart from a coup? Is there a long game here?
That's assuming there's a sufficiently organized opposition (other than Wagner) that can put something meaningful in motion now. Putin had made very sure that can't happen.
This is obviously good for Ukraine, but I don't see any advantage for ordinary Russians. If Prigozhin wins, he'll probably be a worse dictator than Putin; if Putin wins, his paranoia will probably go up another notch; and either way there might be a good bit of destruction before there is an outcome.
I mean, I'm as happy as anyone that Putin (as an individual) is being out in a situation like this, but I don't see a way yet in which this leads to improvements for Russia as a country or for the Russian people.
Private military group. Recruiting prisoners.
Blackwater and Tans…?
Blackwater and Tans…?
Trump, Biden, far left, far right chuck them all in the same bin, two sides of the same coin.
Reckon reconciliation might be off the table after Putin called Wagner back stabbing traitors
Putin looks like he might get overthrown by Prigozhin, the head of Wagner Group.
It's trading one madman for an even more cunning and evil man. Could mean a military dictatorship in Russia.
If we can get past the schadenfreude of Putin getting toppled, this is bad for the world.
I'm going to assume the Wagner leader if he succeeds in a coup will not be recognised by the majority of the world as Russia's new leader. In which case what happens with them having control of the nuclear arsenal?
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This kind of thing happens in Pakistan every few years. Legitimacy is might and might is legitimacy. The Russian military hierarchy will fall in line and give him the nuclear codes.
"Every revolution evaporates to leave behind the slime of the next bureacracy." Franz Kafka.
Does Wagner have the numbers to keep hold of Russia? They might force Putin out but it’s not as if everybody will bow their heads to them.
Arent there some semblance of elections still in Russia?
Prigozhin, a former cook of Putin, decided to take power in Russia. He leads a mercenary group called "Wagner" that fought in Ukraine since the start of the war. Putin gave Prigozhin free reign to equip his Wagners with military equipment and men. But after some time, the Kremlin and Russian MoD decided Wagner became too strong and dangerous and forced them so sign a contract which would subordinate them to Russian MoD and thus end their independence. But Prigozhin doesn't want to give up his new power and go back to cooking, so he played his last card and started a rebellion in Russia to overthrow Putin's regime.
Yes. its real. No, nobody has scooby doo what the outcome will be.
I though Kadyrov likes to lead from the front ? love to see him get a beating.
Big day today.
Prigozhin doesn't really need numbers. If he can gain the loyalty of the Russian military leaders through diplomacy, he'll be the de facto president.
This is Game of Thrones-style kingdom building. He doesn't need to shed a drop of blood as long as every of faction knows he could theoretically beat them in fight. At that point, the only recourse to his threat is to bend the knee.
It's not like Putin is any more legitimate as a leader. Russians just want a strongman in charge.
I think the hot dog fondler is just trying to out-Putin Putin and will hope that the military fall in behind him as a new, stronger leader.
He will show-trial Putin and some of his lackeys...the big question is will he accept a withdrawal from Ukraine in order to maintain the "influence" wagner have in Africa.
China will be key here as they are in competition for influence in Africa and will also want to sell lots of Chinese arms to bolster the depleted Russian Army.
He will show-trial Putin and some of his lackeys...the big question is will he accept a withdrawal from Ukraine in order to maintain the "influence" wagner have in Africa.
China will be key here as they are in competition for influence in Africa and will also want to sell lots of Chinese arms to bolster the depleted Russian Army.
He's going to Argentina
My speculation is as bad as anyone's but I don't think toppling Putin and moving into Moscow automatically means succeeding him. There could be others that want that spot.
If this is all a play, which I think it is, then there's no reason to escalate just yet. Let them take Rostov.
Just words, obviously they aren't going to call them misunderstood patriots.
I don't see why it would necessarily be bad for the world? I think there's a much higher chance of Russia getting out of Ukraine with pretty much anyone other than Putin.
You saying we should prefer the devil we know?
Like I said earlier in this thread, this will be bad for Ukraine. A competent Russian military leadership is not a good result for them.
I might have blown my cover!Yeah, because the butcher that sends cannon fodder is a competent strategist.
I'd be willing to bet that this guy won't be long standing in whatever position of power he anoints himself.
Seen this movie, hadn't we, now that nukes are potentially in play?
Denzel saves the day.
Denzel saves the day.
Yeah, I agree. I think he'll throw the kitchen sink at Ukraine in order to win the war, but then fail as an administrator when running the country.
Seems like Kadyrov's guys are just surrendering at the first opportunity? As evil as Prighozhin is I think he's judged things well. With the brutal reputation they have built up, no one in Russia wants a piece of Wagner.
Even if parts of the military support Prighozin, does that automatically mean they support him as president?
Prighozin can only seize Moscow with their support. But once the regime has fallen, I imagine others throw their hats into the ring as well.
Prighozin can only seize Moscow with their support. But once the regime has fallen, I imagine others throw their hats into the ring as well.