Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

As mad as this is getting I wouldn't be surprised to see Putin asking for, and getting, Nato help to defeat Wagner.
“Hi, yes, this is the US Navy. Could you give us the exact positions of all your guys in Ukraine, please? To make sure we don’t hit them by accident. Yep, perfect, thanks!”
 
Didn't expect Prigozhin to have the initiative, or more importantly, enough influence on his men to do something like this. Even if his increasingly unhinged Colonel Kurtz style "the inept military leadership are holding us back" ranting turned out to be genuine, and not some directed ploy.
 
Wagners must be pretty confident they aren't going to be met with much resistance. Prigozhin must have secured some pretty strong assurances before he moved.
 
Elets is 400 km south of Moscow. If Russia's army can't stop them along the way, they will reach Moscow tonight or early morning.
 
Hitler’s ghost when he hears Wagner is approaching Moscow

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Wagners must be pretty confident they aren't going to be met with much resistance. Prigozhin must have secured some pretty strong assurances before he moved.

He is gambling on public and lower level military opinion and is being proven right so far.

These things can change very quickly though.
 
Where would Putin likely escape to? Which country would be most attractive to him from shielding him from prosecution for the rest of his days and allow him access to his funds?

He would probably have to stay away from any NATO/EU members (maybe even except for Turkey, Hungary and Greece), Switzerland, Japan, South Korea and Australia, but anywhere else should be fine I guess? The number of countries, which condemn him isn't actually that big, is it?
 
rumours on twitter of wagner troops taking a detour to a russian nuclear site.
 
He would probably have to stay away from any NATO/EU members (except for Turkey, Hungary and Greece), Switzerland, Japan, South Korea and Australia, but anywhere else should be fine I guess? The number of countries, which condemn him isn't actually that big, is it?
His deputy has taken a flight to Turkey (according to twitter), hes also meant to be Russias richest man.
 
With elite escaping to St. Petersburg, could we wake up tomorrow with Russia having a different de facto capital?
 
In an ideal world Wagner group could have dialogue with the West and instead of more bloodshed use their perceived strong position to broker dialogue with Putin.

Yeah that's idealistic but we have yet to see what Wagner group really want, is it power or just revenge on Putin.

The West should really be putting pressure on Putin now to end the war, he is in a very weak position and a push to end all bloodshed should be priority, instead of sitting back and allowing more civilians to die.

And quite frankly some of the comments I have received back regarding Russian civilians are disgusting and show some on here in there real light.
Should be banned but that's another matter entirely.
I see your thinking but I think it’s be foolish of any western leader to get involved here. It just invites the western vitriol with actual evidence behind it.

If Sunak was seen to wade in here, it’d play horrifically. This is a case of letting enemies of the enemy destroy themselves. Once a presidence has been set, the west should start dialogue.

I think it’s dangerous to start anything before we know what the outcome of the current situation is.
 
I see your thinking but I think it’s be foolish of any western leader to get involved here. It just invites the western vitriol with actual evidence behind it.

If Sunak was seen to wade in here, it’d play horrifically. This is a case of letting enemies of the enemy destroy themselves. Once a presidence has been set, the west should start dialogue.

I think it’s dangerous to start anything before we know what the outcome of the current situation is.
Thank feck we dont have Trump and Johnson in charge. would be a clusterfeck.
 
Hitler’s ghost when he hears Wagner is approaching Moscow

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Thought about this earlier. With the long list of people that tried and failed there would be some irony for it to be a hot-dog selling ex-convict to succeed. Perhaps preparing fast food is simply better practice than being a failed artist.
 
Thank feck we dont have Trump and Johnson in charge. would be a clusterfeck.

Biden doesn't even know what decade it is and Rishi is busy getting bent over by banks and giving the upper class a reach around.
 
With elite escaping to St. Petersburg, could we wake up tomorrow with Russia having a different de facto capital?

Nah, in the most perfect scenario for Prigozhin Wagner will reach Moscow tonight, but they still have to fight their way through to the Kremlin and MoD and occupy them. That will take some time. Also it's almost certain, that Russian forces will probably destroy every road into Moscow if Wagner's column continues. We also must not forget that Russia still has their bomber fleet. If the airforce is still loyal to Putin, he could order them to bomb that column to dust, no matter the civilian cost if he fears for his power and life.

That would put a bunch of people in windowless rooms all over the world rather nervous.

Those nukes are useless without the electronic codes in Putin's suitcase.
 
Actually astonished that Wagner has faced zero resistance on their march towards Moscow till now. At this rate this’ll be over tomorrow
 
Actually astonished that Wagner has faced zero resistance on their march towards Moscow till now. At this rate this’ll be over tomorrow
Then again perhaps it's another sign that Russia s power has been with its intelligence/covert operations and its military might have been well overestimated since the Soviet Union's collapse.
 
If this is truly as coordinated and methodological as it appears from the updates in here, then surely this has been in the making for a long time.
Prigozhin has been criticizing the war and Russian army leadership (by name) publicly for a good 2 months. Saying things that would land just about anyone else in Russian jail for "discrediting the army". This has been coming. And he's had time to plan.
 
Biden doesn't even know what decade it is and Rishi is busy getting bent over by banks and giving the upper class a reach around.
You can't possibly have been around for the past 7 years and still think Trump would handle this better :lol: :D:lol::confused:
 
Actually astonished that Wagner has faced zero resistance on their march towards Moscow till now. At this rate this’ll be over tomorrow
I think they've been ordered to stand down, no need for unnecessary bloodshed and look foolish to the rest of the world. This is like watching a child try to humiliate their parents in public. Still think they'll cut a deal in the end.
 
I think they've been ordered to stand down, no need for unnecessary bloodshed and look foolish to the rest of the world. This is like watching a child try to humiliate their parents in public. Still think they'll cut a deal in the end.
No chance that has been order by Putin.