I wouldn't go that far but I'm not convinced this isn't Kremlin staged bullshit.
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Implosion..
Still, he DID say that the war is pretty pointless and unjustified, and if he really means it, this could instead end the war. Wagner was first and foremost a business idea, wasn't it, now, thousands of his men are being slaughtered.
Prigozhin has 20-30K loyal fighters around him, thats why he has been able to say what he's been saying for so long. It's not easy to get to a man that has that amount of loyal troops around him.
That is insane! Even if the mercenary forces somehow make it to Moscow, can people within the administration not relocate to somewhere else in Russia?
Until the bullets start flying out of the APCs in Russian streets, I feel this is all becoming a bit Erdogan blagging a coup levels of bullshit.
One thing that is mental though: employing and sending 25k rapists and murderers to the harshest trench warfare imaginable and then releasing the ones that survived back into general population loyal to the commander that got them out of jail. What a fecking cracking policy that is.
Regardless of what happens, Russian politics is on a whole another level of theatrics. Prigozhin's videos are basically Russian PMQs.
One thing that is mental though: employing and sending 25k rapists and murderers to the harshest trench warfare imaginable and then releasing the ones that survived back into general population loyal to the commander that got them out of jail. What a fecking cracking policy that is.
Regardless of what happens, Russian politics is on a whole another level of theatrics. Prigozhin's videos are basically Russian PMQs.
Interesting if true.
I wonder what not "being able to reach Putin" implies - I mean it is 2am in Moscow, he's probably asleep?
The best for Ukrainians is to wait and see what happens. Of course, if they have any agents inside Russia they should try to add to the havoc!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped
In a virtual declaration of war against his rivals in the Russian military, Prigozhin said he controlled 25,000 fighters and that together “we are going to figure out why the chaos is happening in the country”.
“Anyone who wants should join. We need to end this mess,” he said.
“Everyone who will try to resist, we will consider them a danger and destroy them immediately, including any checkpoints on our way. And any aviation that we see above our heads,” he added.
“I’m asking everyone to remain calm, do not succumb to provocations, and remain in their houses. Ideally, those along our way, do not go outside. After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland,” Prigozhin said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped
In a virtual declaration of war against his rivals in the Russian military, Prigozhin said he controlled 25,000 fighters and that together “we are going to figure out why the chaos is happening in the country”.
“Anyone who wants should join. We need to end this mess,” he said.
“Everyone who will try to resist, we will consider them a danger and destroy them immediately, including any checkpoints on our way. And any aviation that we see above our heads,” he added.
“I’m asking everyone to remain calm, do not succumb to provocations, and remain in their houses. Ideally, those along our way, do not go outside. After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland,” Prigozhin said.
I think the last time I was constantly scrambling for updates on a news story like this was probably the January 6th riots. But the Americans at least had the decency to live stream it.
Could be escaping to his Black Sea underground bunker
Not the actual day of invasion, 24 February?
Considering what we've heard and seen about the army around him, I have zero doubts that the Kremlin could have killed him before today. It's different now, but if they really do want him gone he will be within the next week or two.
I bet old Vlad is regretting this now.
1. Invade heavily armed neighbouring country using worn out tech, low morale conscripts and mercenaries
2. Fail to capture capital, fail to retain captured areas, fail to prevent mutiny from mercenaries
3. ????
4. Profit
1. Invade heavily armed neighbouring country using worn out tech, low morale conscripts and mercenaries
2. Fail to capture capital, fail to retain captured areas, fail to prevent mutiny from mercenaries
3. ????
4. Profit
Yeah alright, you got me there.
Can Russia even "arrest" Prigozhin without having to deal with Wagner troops?
Prigozhin backs up previous claims that MOD is arming conscripts in Rostov in a desperate attempt:
I think there is a real chance that Prigozhin is disillusioned - and maybe even a bit stupid - and that his chances to succeed in this is like zero.
Unlikely.
The source is apparently Prigozhin's own TG channel. But I didn't check it.
If Prigozhin actually intends to hold Rostov hostage it could be a decent plan for him. It's a logistic hub for a big part of the front and the town would give him some safety from Russian aviation, they wouldn't bomb their own city. A big column towards Moscow would be surely annihilated on the way. He has enough experience to understand such things I'd assume.
Oddly, from some of his monologues he comes across as one of the most sane Russian officials there is, despite being a complete evil cnut. It's a low bar, of course.
Biden has been briefed on the situation according to NSC spokesperson.
Well, he has sent thousands of his employees into death for something he now says is unjustified. So yeah, a low bar.
Err, that would completely depend on if it had any resemblance of factual reporting, which I of course would have to refer to actual legitimate news sources for, not NYT or CNN.
He's more unhinged than most of them. The only reason they may come across as sane is because he occasionally tells the truth about Putin (such today).
Out of the loop here.
This power grab from Prigozhin... is it for the Russian army or actually toppling Putin?
This power grab from Prigozhin... is it for the Russian army or actually toppling Putin?