Due to the overall quality of the league maybe they can afford to.
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
Not really, when those three teams are a higher quality than the rest in that league, it makes perfect sense that they would be higher up the pitch.
As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.
You're going to love Amorim.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.
You're going to love Amorim.
Inacio, Diomamde, Hjmuland and Gyokeres would all get in our starting 11 and I’d happily have Edwards and Quenda from what I’ve seen of them.
Would love for him to get unveiled at old trafford tonight (I know it won't happen in time).
ETH going really must be positive, my dad is making the effort to come to a League cup game tonight for the first time in 2 years!
ETH going really must be positive, my dad is making the effort to come to a League cup game tonight for the first time in 2 years!
I think it’s quite Ruud of him to keep us waiting for so long. He did seem quite Frank in his interview though.
Really hope he’ll bring in Hjulmand too
Hopefully he brings his backroom staff. Won't work if we keep our current set-up.
Maguire is probably the bigger worry.Hmm maybe this isn’t as nailed on as we thought? I’m not liking those quotes about him still to make a decision
The fact he didn’t seem to say goodbye to the home fans seemed odd as well
The fact he didn’t seem to say goodbye to the home fans seemed odd as well
Meanwhile on Sky Sports
THE VERDICT: Amorim's press conference analysed
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-latest-on-deals-signings-loans-and-contracts
By you guessed it, that cnut Gary Cotterill
THE VERDICT: Amorim's press conference analysed
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-latest-on-deals-signings-loans-and-contracts
By you guessed it, that cnut Gary Cotterill
The thought of grandpa Evans and oil tankers like Maguire and De Ligt running half the pitch against rapid attackers is frightening.Hold on to your bollocks
One saving grace is that Onana is good with his feet so he should be able to play the sweeper role well. Other teams that failed with the high line in England often had the old fashioned goalies.
Hopefully there’s method to the madness.
Did you see them all on a Thursday, a Friday and on Saturday and then did you chill on Sundays?
How his he, in dropping underperforming players?
Also has sporting gone through a rough patch with him? How did he behave or how did he carry himself during that period?
Either you have not been out much or your standards are relatively low.
Some oppo fans predictably asking why he’d join us rather than wait until the summer for City. Which got me thinking about how much of City’s current pull for players is Pep, how much is the club itself, and how much is the money.
They’re essentially a poorer, less well supported version of the Geordies once Pep fecks off. They’re not going to lose their team overnight, but it’s hard to envisage them maintaining their current level of dominance in the market or the game regardless of who takes over. I don’t think players will be as keen to join them regardless of who takes over.
I get that we’re a bit of a basket case, but there are potentially much bigger ups for a manager in Amorim’s position in taking us over. Albeit it’s a much harder job.
They’re essentially a poorer, less well supported version of the Geordies once Pep fecks off. They’re not going to lose their team overnight, but it’s hard to envisage them maintaining their current level of dominance in the market or the game regardless of who takes over. I don’t think players will be as keen to join them regardless of who takes over.
I get that we’re a bit of a basket case, but there are potentially much bigger ups for a manager in Amorim’s position in taking us over. Albeit it’s a much harder job.
Liking the fact many people are saying he's great at building team spirit and atmosphere in the locker room. It was one of my biggest gripes with ten Hag, his 'hard disciplinarian' demeanor was extremely was pure nonsense.
In his past, has his team performance progression been gradual, or like Arteta, suddenly a eureka moment, a tipping point and then suddenly things started to switch on?
They are obviously much more than that. They were up there winning titles before Pep and have established themselves as one of the premier European clubs. Pep or not they will be among the elite for the considerable future.
Or Amorin knows what its like to pull a sleeping giant out of its slumber? If he heads to City it can only trend downwards after Pep. And he will be their Moyes.
I can't understand why no one at ineos or in our new structure didn't think that signing another slow centre back might not be a good idea given we were likely to change managers by Christmas, and the new manager was likely to want to play a high line
It is. I don't get how irrationally jumpy people can be. Just think things through logically.
We also bought Yoro don't forget.
Thanks for sharing!
Sounds encouraging.
Yes and that made more sense albeit it was a lot of money on a promising centre back
But many clubs who play a high line have two quick centre backs and we could have used the money for a left back or another centre mid or forward
Great post but “believe in the process” is triggering!
They’d won two league titles in 50 years prior to his arrival and zero CL’s. They were not dominant under Mancini or Pellegrini, just in the mix.
Yes I see where you're coming from, however, if it's three at the back there is more cover and really only one needs to be quick if the others are physically dominant and can read the game. Alternatively if we want an extra quick player in the three one of the fullbacks can become one of the three.
Tbh I'm more concerned about the reliance of Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield.
The expectations are so low at this point that if he were to come in and get us playing with a visible style within a month or so, that would be seen as a huge win.
Moving from Ajax 2.0 to Sporting 2.0 might not be the best strategy.
I am expecting him to make an instant impact considering its a new system and there are plenty of players that suit his style.
That's a generous way of putting it. You cannot compare City as a normal club with the sugar daddy 115 charges era. They had a couple of disappointing seasons prior to Pep's arrival but just that was coming off two league tiles in three years and a 2nd place finish in the other year.
Amorim's work at Sporting has always been very coherent and based on strong ideas.The playing model has always been based on 3 central defenders and 2 offensive wing-backs. Even when losing, he doesn't dispense the 3 central defenders.However, within the same tactic, he manages to explore some variants, as a result of a squad that he has been building over time, which allows him a lot of versatility.He likes short squads but made up of players who play 2 or 3 positions.He doesn't want long squads, with unhappy players who don't play.
The key moment when Sporting's level of play took a big leap was with the signing of Gyokeres. Everything changed with Gyokeres. I don't know how he would do in England, but for the level of the Portuguese league, he is a complete monster.Curiously, the signing of Gyokeres only happened after a bad season for Sporting, in which we had to play the whole year with a striker without the profile to play alone up front (Paulinho) and only under tremendous pressure, Amorim allowed the club to go to the market to sign a suitable striker.
Here we saw two things, because he believes so much in his ideas, Amorim becomes extremely stubborn and on the other hand, the Sporting board let Amorim fail, gave him the necessary stability, never doubted his abilities.
Why has Diomande dropped off from your team? He seemed like a player with world class talent a season ago. Athleticism and technical ability combined
What’s wrong with Ugarte and Mainoo?
Yes he might be fine in a back 3 but think Maguire would be too.
The money spent on de ligt could have been used for another centre mid or left back.
Just find the fact ineos spent so much on players to support ten hag when it was obvious to most he wouldnt last the season quite ridiculous
Hopefully it won't harm amorim too much but he is likely to need some new players to make his system work
And you clearly haven’t been to a “third world” country or even Manchester, yeah some areas of Britain or any country in the western/modernised world or however you want to phrase it have poor or run down areas.
But Third world? I’ve seen some shit written on these forums but you’ve just won the Bollocks d’or.
Guys, will he be on the bench vs. Chelsea already?
I still remember his team talk when Garnacho and Martinez came back after winning the Copa America, it was so uninspiring.