Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.

You're going to love Amorim.
 
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Would love for him to get unveiled at old trafford tonight (I know it won't happen in time).

ETH going really must be positive, my dad is making the effort to come to a League cup game tonight for the first time in 2 years!
 
I think it’s quite Ruud of him to keep us waiting for so long. He did seem quite Frank in his interview though.
 
Hmm maybe this isn’t as nailed on as we thought? I’m not liking those quotes about him still to make a decision

The fact he didn’t seem to say goodbye to the home fans seemed odd as well
 
crossy1686 said:
Hold on to your bollocks
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The thought of grandpa Evans and oil tankers like Maguire and De Ligt running half the pitch against rapid attackers is frightening.

One saving grace is that Onana is good with his feet so he should be able to play the sweeper role well. Other teams that failed with the high line in England often had the old fashioned goalies.

Hopefully there’s method to the madness.
 
nunopires2001 said:
As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.

You're going to love Amorim.
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How his he, in dropping underperforming players?

Also has sporting gone through a rough patch with him? How did he behave or how did he carry himself during that period?
 
Some oppo fans predictably asking why he’d join us rather than wait until the summer for City. Which got me thinking about how much of City’s current pull for players is Pep, how much is the club itself, and how much is the money.

They’re essentially a poorer, less well supported version of the Geordies once Pep fecks off. They’re not going to lose their team overnight, but it’s hard to envisage them maintaining their current level of dominance in the market or the game regardless of who takes over. I don’t think players will be as keen to join them regardless of who takes over.

I get that we’re a bit of a basket case, but there are potentially much bigger ups for a manager in Amorim’s position in taking us over. Albeit it’s a much harder job.
 
Liking the fact many people are saying he's great at building team spirit and atmosphere in the locker room. It was one of my biggest gripes with ten Hag, his 'hard disciplinarian' demeanor was extremely was pure nonsense.
 
nunopires2001 said:
As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.

You're going to love Amorim.
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In his past, has his team performance progression been gradual, or like Arteta, suddenly a eureka moment, a tipping point and then suddenly things started to switch on?
 
BuzzKillington said:
Some oppo fans predictably asking why he’d join us rather than wait until the summer for City. Which got me thinking about how much of City’s current pull for players is Pep, how much is the club itself, and how much is the money.

They’re essentially a poorer, less well supported version of the Geordies once Pep fecks off. They’re not going to lose their team overnight, but it’s hard to envisage them maintaining their current level of dominance in the market or the game regardless of who takes over. I don’t think players will be as keen to join them regardless of who takes over.

I get that we’re a bit of a basket case, but there are potentially much bigger ups for a manager in Amorim’s position in taking us over. Albeit it’s a much harder job.
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They are obviously much more than that. They were up there winning titles before Pep and have established themselves as one of the premier European clubs. Pep or not they will be among the elite for the considerable future.
 
BuzzKillington said:
Some oppo fans predictably asking why he’d join us rather than wait until the summer for City. Which got me thinking about how much of City’s current pull for players is Pep, how much is the club itself, and how much is the money.

They’re essentially a poorer, less well supported version of the Geordies once Pep fecks off. They’re not going to lose their team overnight, but it’s hard to envisage them maintaining their current level of dominance in the market or the game regardless of who takes over. I don’t think players will be as keen to join them regardless of who takes over.

I get that we’re a bit of a basket case, but there are potentially much bigger ups for a manager in Amorim’s position in taking us over. Albeit it’s a much harder job.
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Or Amorin knows what its like to pull a sleeping giant out of its slumber? If he heads to City it can only trend downwards after Pep. And he will be their Moyes.
 
Samid said:
The thought of grandpa Evans and oil tankers like Maguire and De Ligt running half the pitch against rapid attackers is frightening.

One saving grace is that Onana is good with his feet so he should be able to play the sweeper role well. Other teams that failed with the high line in England often had the old fashioned goalies.

Hopefully there’s method to the madness.
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I can't understand why no one at ineos or in our new structure didn't think that signing another slow centre back might not be a good idea given we were likely to change managers by Christmas, and the new manager was likely to want to play a high line
 
Castia said:
Hmm maybe this isn’t as nailed on as we thought? I’m not liking those quotes about him still to make a decision

The fact he didn’t seem to say goodbye to the home fans seemed odd as well
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It is. I don't get how irrationally jumpy people can be. Just think things through logically.
 
Matt851 said:
I can't understand why no one at ineos or in our new structure didn't think that signing another slow centre back might not be a good idea given we were likely to change managers by Christmas, and the new manager was likely to want to play a high line
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We also bought Yoro don't forget.
 
nunopires2001 said:
As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.

You're going to love Amorim.
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Thanks for sharing!
Sounds encouraging.
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
We also bought Yoro don't forget.
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Yes and that made more sense albeit it was a lot of money on a promising centre back

But many clubs who play a high line have two quick centre backs and we could have used the money for a left back or another centre mid or forward
 
nunopires2001 said:
As a Sporting Clube de Portugal fan, you can't imagine how devastating the news of Amorim's departure was for all of us.
In 50 years, I've never seen Sporting play so well, so mechanically and dominantly.
Ruben Amorim is a very special coach. A tremendous communicator, with a charisma the size of the world.
Every one of Amorim's press conferences is a special moment.
As has been said, he is a coach of fixed ideas, he clings to a plan he believes in and nothing in this world makes him change!
He also needs a lot of autonomy, he has to have the full ability to control or bypass all decisions related to football. This point has already been a problem in the past.
I believe that with him, Manchester United could be fighting for the title in 2 or 3 years.
But they will have to be patient and fully believe in his work process.
For my part, I have a huge sadness that he has left in this way, it ends up being a betrayal to leave like this in the middle of the season. Sporting has the chance to win 2 championships in a row, something we haven't achieved in 70 years.
But anyway, enjoy his work.

You're going to love Amorim.
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Great post but “believe in the process” is triggering!
 
Sarni said:
They are obviously much more than that. They were up there winning titles before Pep and have established themselves as one of the premier European clubs. Pep or not they will be among the elite for the considerable future.
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They’d won two league titles in 50 years prior to his arrival and zero CL’s. They were not dominant under Mancini or Pellegrini, just in the mix.
 
Matt851 said:
Yes and that made more sense albeit it was a lot of money on a promising centre back

But many clubs who play a high line have two quick centre backs and we could have used the money for a left back or another centre mid or forward
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Yes I see where you're coming from, however, if it's three at the back there is more cover and really only one needs to be quick if the others are physically dominant and can read the game. Alternatively if we want an extra quick player in the three one of the fullbacks can become one of the three.

Tbh I'm more concerned about the reliance of Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield.
 
The expectations are so low at this point that if he were to come in and get us playing with a visible style within a month or so, that would be seen as a huge win.
 
davidmichael said:
Inacio, Diomamde, Hjmuland and Gyokeres would all get in our starting 11 and I’d happily have Edwards and Quenda from what I’ve seen of them.
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Moving from Ajax 2.0 to Sporting 2.0 might not be the best strategy.
 
Werd. said:
The expectations are so low at this point that if he were to come in and get us playing with a visible style within a month or so, that would be seen as a huge win.
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I am expecting him to make an instant impact considering its a new system and there are plenty of players that suit his style.
 
BuzzKillington said:
They’d won two league titles in 50 years prior to his arrival and zero CL’s. They were not dominant under Mancini or Pellegrini, just in the mix.
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That's a generous way of putting it. You cannot compare City as a normal club with the sugar daddy 115 charges era. They had a couple of disappointing seasons prior to Pep's arrival but just that was coming off two league tiles in three years and a 2nd place finish in the other year.
 
sglowrider said:
In his past, has his team performance progression been gradual, or like Arteta, suddenly a eureka moment, a tipping point and then suddenly things started to switch on?
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Amorim's work at Sporting has always been very coherent and based on strong ideas.The playing model has always been based on 3 central defenders and 2 offensive wing-backs. Even when losing, he doesn't dispense the 3 central defenders.However, within the same tactic, he manages to explore some variants, as a result of a squad that he has been building over time, which allows him a lot of versatility.He likes short squads but made up of players who play 2 or 3 positions.He doesn't want long squads, with unhappy players who don't play.

The key moment when Sporting's level of play took a big leap was with the signing of Gyokeres. Everything changed with Gyokeres. I don't know how he would do in England, but for the level of the Portuguese league, he is a complete monster.Curiously, the signing of Gyokeres only happened after a bad season for Sporting, in which we had to play the whole year with a striker without the profile to play alone up front (Paulinho) and only under tremendous pressure, Amorim allowed the club to go to the market to sign a suitable striker.

Here we saw two things, because he believes so much in his ideas, Amorim becomes extremely stubborn and on the other hand, the Sporting board let Amorim fail, gave him the necessary stability, never doubted his abilities.
 
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I'd replace Amad with Mainoo with Bruno drifting to the right. It's difficult to translate Sporting playing style to United with the players that you have. For example we have two very good ball playing and passing CBs in Debast and Inácio and there's no equivalent at United.
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Why has Diomande dropped off from your team? He seemed like a player with world class talent a season ago. Athleticism and technical ability combined
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
Yes I see where you're coming from, however, if it's three at the back there is more cover and really only one needs to be quick if the others are physically dominant and can read the game. Alternatively if we want an extra quick player in the three one of the fullbacks can become one of the three.

Tbh I'm more concerned about the reliance of Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield.
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What’s wrong with Ugarte and Mainoo?
 
GiveItToGi...nowait said:
Yes I see where you're coming from, however, if it's three at the back there is more cover and really only one needs to be quick if the others are physically dominant and can read the game. Alternatively if we want an extra quick player in the three one of the fullbacks can become one of the three.

Tbh I'm more concerned about the reliance of Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield.
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Yes he might be fine in a back 3 but think Maguire would be too.

The money spent on de ligt could have been used for another centre mid or left back.

Just find the fact ineos spent so much on players to support ten hag when it was obvious to most he wouldnt last the season quite ridiculous

Hopefully it won't harm amorim too much but he is likely to need some new players to make his system work
 
sglowrider said:
Either you have not been out much or your standards are relatively low.
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And you clearly haven’t been to a “third world” country or even Manchester, yeah some areas of Britain or any country in the western/modernised world or however you want to phrase it have poor or run down areas.

But Third world? I’ve seen some shit written on these forums but you’ve just won the Bollocks d’or.
 
Sarni said:
Liking the fact many people are saying he's great at building team spirit and atmosphere in the locker room. It was one of my biggest gripes with ten Hag, his 'hard disciplinarian' demeanor was extremely was pure nonsense.
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I still remember his team talk when Garnacho and Martinez came back after winning the Copa America, it was so uninspiring.
 
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