The optimal word is "interviewed"... of course they looked around. I'd just like more than one candidate for once, for the reasons already given
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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Just hoping he has the balls to drop players like Bruno and Rashford for multiple games if there playing crap. Ten Hag didn't have the bottle to do it.
this... i honestly thought, when he cam in, Ten Hag would be more Fergie-like in this respect: one of the reasons I wanted him ahead of Poch
These guys have % play in their contracts.
Negativity for negative sake.
How is it that Brighton keep finding the right man for their club and Liverpool seem to have made a good choice... Chelsea appear to have finally got it right too. All with guys I've never heard of!
Who would he drop them for ? Mount is always injured and the likes of Antony have been far from effective.
To be honest I think at this point that seems clear. I hope to Feck we stop that sort of nonsense going forward.
A lot of the TV there is English with Portuguese subtitles so there's lots of exposure to English.
Isn’t it weird though for a new manager to come in and work with the old coaches? If they couldn’t coach the way their old manager wanted then what makes them be able to coach the way the new manager wants?
I hope so... but I feel that might have just been re availability
How about you give this new guy a chance, try and be a bit positive and see if you enjoy things a bit better?
Hopefully we can see who needs sold and how will offer something for next season. It got so bad under eth that I can't fathom that these players are that bad.
Why do you assume they didn't coach the way the old manager wanted them to?
Martinez is decent at that but Inácio and Debast are incredible passing wise. Both starters for the Portugal and Belgium national teams. Martinez got them beat in other departments.
He dropped Rashford plenty of times last season tbh. The main problem was that Rashford always found himself back in the team because Antony and Sancho were worse.
Welcome to 2024. Almost every top level player overreacts to fouls. Gone are the days of 'proper hard men' footballers with stiff upper lips. If you think our next captain after Bruno will never overreact to fouls then I've got some magic beans to sell you.
Amorim won't be stripping him of the captaincy. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money on that.
Nothing to do with bottle. He relied heavily on his best players which currently include Marcus and Bruno. He was also a stickler for playing people into form/ confidence.
From a Dutch football website, translated with google translate:
Rúben Amorim, Erik ten Hag’s most likely successor
He had just retired from football and had focused entirely on his new challenge: coaching. After completing his first week of training at the Portuguese Football Federation, he was interviewed by a Portuguese magazine about this new step and the end of his playing career. He also followed a postgraduate course at a faculty in Lisbon, where José Mourinho is one of the professors. Driven by his eagerness to learn, he strove to gain as much knowledge as possible.
Seven years ago, Rúben Amorim shared his insight in Tribuna Expresso that there is probably too much emphasis on physical performance and tactics in football. Outside the football bubble, he understood better what it is really about, or so he suspected. He stressed that communication is essential; players need to feel understood and at ease. Training can be mentally tiring, but players experience it as valuable when they notice that it improves their performance in matches. In this way, tactics become a powerful tool and the players feel freer.
‘Creating a strong bond with players is crucial,’ he explained. ‘That’s what I’m going to try to achieve anyway. It comes down to being able to relate to people. A football coach is not like an engineer or something like that. It’s not just a matter of pressing a few buttons and always succeeding. No, you have to have a strong connection with the group you’re working with. The same training programme can produce completely different results with another group. It’s all very subjective and I think it mainly depends on your personal approach and your way of being.’
The initial feeling he had as a novice coach has proven to be correct. People who have worked with him describe the Portuguese as an empathetic coach with an effective communication style with footballers. His asset as a coach is that he knows how to convey his principles to his players. Although his tactical systems, such as the 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 system, are often mentioned, it is mainly his credibility and communicative approach that unites the group of players. Without the ball, Amorims Sporting is one of the most intense teams in Portugal.
Like other successful coaches, he is persuasive in his own ideas, which he communicates clearly and understandably to the players who ultimately have to make the decisions on the pitch. His consistent and targeted messages even extend to press conferences, where he can subtly influence his players. He shares this aspect with, for example, Arne Slot, who is also adept at using media.
Amorim is known for his clear expectations and natural leadership, with an emphasis on team cohesion. His experience as a footballer enables him to understand individual needs in the dressing room, where honesty is key. He has had success at all his clubs by defining a clear style of play and encouraging players to commit and learn within that framework.
Sporting tries to play from the back, usually builds up with three men, plays with a very high defensive line, but Amorim can also adapt very well to an opponent when necessary. It is no surprise that Mourinho is one of his references. When necessary, he adapts to win.
His leadership style is rooted in his playing career as a midfielder, when he was known for his reliability. Although he had less talent than some, he compensated by thinking about his game. He did not consciously aim for a coaching career from the age of twenty, but always looked at the game with a coaching eye. It was a way for him to continue performing at an acceptable level.
Amorim won several national titles with Benfica and took part in two World Cups with Portugal, but before he could be of value among players such as Javier Saviola, David Luiz, Pablo Aimar and Ángel Di María, he needed a four-year run-up at Belenenses. He managed to impress these stars with his attitude and leadership qualities.
It was clear to everyone that he would become a coach. At the age of 32, he was forced to stop due to an injury. Almost immediately after his playing career, he threw himself wholeheartedly into his new passion. During the coaching course, he stood out for his convictions, rhetorical skills and individuality.
Amorim had a clear path for himself. He took his first steps as a coach at the third level. In the summer of 2018, he started at Casa Pia, but he quickly got into trouble because he did not yet have the required papers. When the disciplinary committee of the Portuguese Football Federation suspended him for three months and the club was deducted six points, Amorim decided to quit halfway through the season to prevent further escalation. The punishments and fines were later reversed. Apart from this remarkable episode, there is something else that is remembered from that time: the intensity of the training and the promise he brought with him as a coach. Although he could not experience it himself, Casa Pia was promoted at the end of the season, mainly based on the ideas he had brought.
A natural step for Amorim was to coach the second team of a top Portuguese club. Although many expected him to join Benfica’s B team, Amorim surprised everyone by choosing Braga B. He knew that at Benfica you can’t always be independent in the choices you make. At Braga, on the other hand, he was able to completely chart his own course. His influence was considerable, both in the second team and in the first team, where he took over after the dismissal of Ricardo Sá Pinto. At Sporting Braga, he made his breakthrough as a manager in the way that talent does: in the blink of an eye and with a lasting impact.
Appointed on 23 December 2019, he only spent nine league games on the bench before Sporting Portugal agreed to pay the €10 million clause in his contract. This club saw him as the next great Portuguese manager because of his impressive performances at Braga. Not only did he win eight out of nine league games, he also managed to win twice in four weeks, against both Sporting and FC Porto, as well as Benfica. By winning the Taça de Liga – Portugal's second cup tournament – he also gave Braga its first trophy in four years.
To put Amorim’s work at Sporting into perspective, it is important to outline the circumstances in which he started. In March 2020, the world came to a standstill due to the corona pandemic. Sporting was in a recovery phase after a turbulent period in which the club had received negative publicity due to attacks by ultras on players. These attacks on the training complex led to the departure of Bas Dost, Rafael Leão and Rui Patrício, among others. In addition, Sporting had not been champions for eighteen years, and the departure of Bruno Fernandes to Manchester United did not improve the situation. A worse entry point for a young, ambitious coach seemed almost unthinkable. Yet, at the age of 36, Rúben Amorim led Sporting to the title a year later. He unleashed a true revolution at the club.
Despite the opportunity to work for a top European club – such as Tottenham Hotspur, who approached him after Antonio Conte left, Chelsea after Graham Potter was fired and Liverpool after Jurgen Klopp left – Amorim chose to take the reins himself, as he had done in previous opportunities. He felt that his work at Sporting was not yet done. He demands a lot from his players, but also from himself. Everything has to fall into place for him before he takes on a new challenge. Will it be Manchester United?
Rúben Amorim, Erik ten Hag’s most likely successor
He had just retired from football and had focused entirely on his new challenge: coaching. After completing his first week of training at the Portuguese Football Federation, he was interviewed by a Portuguese magazine about this new step and the end of his playing career. He also followed a postgraduate course at a faculty in Lisbon, where José Mourinho is one of the professors. Driven by his eagerness to learn, he strove to gain as much knowledge as possible.
Seven years ago, Rúben Amorim shared his insight in Tribuna Expresso that there is probably too much emphasis on physical performance and tactics in football. Outside the football bubble, he understood better what it is really about, or so he suspected. He stressed that communication is essential; players need to feel understood and at ease. Training can be mentally tiring, but players experience it as valuable when they notice that it improves their performance in matches. In this way, tactics become a powerful tool and the players feel freer.
‘Creating a strong bond with players is crucial,’ he explained. ‘That’s what I’m going to try to achieve anyway. It comes down to being able to relate to people. A football coach is not like an engineer or something like that. It’s not just a matter of pressing a few buttons and always succeeding. No, you have to have a strong connection with the group you’re working with. The same training programme can produce completely different results with another group. It’s all very subjective and I think it mainly depends on your personal approach and your way of being.’
The initial feeling he had as a novice coach has proven to be correct. People who have worked with him describe the Portuguese as an empathetic coach with an effective communication style with footballers. His asset as a coach is that he knows how to convey his principles to his players. Although his tactical systems, such as the 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 system, are often mentioned, it is mainly his credibility and communicative approach that unites the group of players. Without the ball, Amorims Sporting is one of the most intense teams in Portugal.
Like other successful coaches, he is persuasive in his own ideas, which he communicates clearly and understandably to the players who ultimately have to make the decisions on the pitch. His consistent and targeted messages even extend to press conferences, where he can subtly influence his players. He shares this aspect with, for example, Arne Slot, who is also adept at using media.
Amorim is known for his clear expectations and natural leadership, with an emphasis on team cohesion. His experience as a footballer enables him to understand individual needs in the dressing room, where honesty is key. He has had success at all his clubs by defining a clear style of play and encouraging players to commit and learn within that framework.
Sporting tries to play from the back, usually builds up with three men, plays with a very high defensive line, but Amorim can also adapt very well to an opponent when necessary. It is no surprise that Mourinho is one of his references. When necessary, he adapts to win.
His leadership style is rooted in his playing career as a midfielder, when he was known for his reliability. Although he had less talent than some, he compensated by thinking about his game. He did not consciously aim for a coaching career from the age of twenty, but always looked at the game with a coaching eye. It was a way for him to continue performing at an acceptable level.
Amorim won several national titles with Benfica and took part in two World Cups with Portugal, but before he could be of value among players such as Javier Saviola, David Luiz, Pablo Aimar and Ángel Di María, he needed a four-year run-up at Belenenses. He managed to impress these stars with his attitude and leadership qualities.
It was clear to everyone that he would become a coach. At the age of 32, he was forced to stop due to an injury. Almost immediately after his playing career, he threw himself wholeheartedly into his new passion. During the coaching course, he stood out for his convictions, rhetorical skills and individuality.
Amorim had a clear path for himself. He took his first steps as a coach at the third level. In the summer of 2018, he started at Casa Pia, but he quickly got into trouble because he did not yet have the required papers. When the disciplinary committee of the Portuguese Football Federation suspended him for three months and the club was deducted six points, Amorim decided to quit halfway through the season to prevent further escalation. The punishments and fines were later reversed. Apart from this remarkable episode, there is something else that is remembered from that time: the intensity of the training and the promise he brought with him as a coach. Although he could not experience it himself, Casa Pia was promoted at the end of the season, mainly based on the ideas he had brought.
A natural step for Amorim was to coach the second team of a top Portuguese club. Although many expected him to join Benfica’s B team, Amorim surprised everyone by choosing Braga B. He knew that at Benfica you can’t always be independent in the choices you make. At Braga, on the other hand, he was able to completely chart his own course. His influence was considerable, both in the second team and in the first team, where he took over after the dismissal of Ricardo Sá Pinto. At Sporting Braga, he made his breakthrough as a manager in the way that talent does: in the blink of an eye and with a lasting impact.
Appointed on 23 December 2019, he only spent nine league games on the bench before Sporting Portugal agreed to pay the €10 million clause in his contract. This club saw him as the next great Portuguese manager because of his impressive performances at Braga. Not only did he win eight out of nine league games, he also managed to win twice in four weeks, against both Sporting and FC Porto, as well as Benfica. By winning the Taça de Liga – Portugal's second cup tournament – he also gave Braga its first trophy in four years.
To put Amorim’s work at Sporting into perspective, it is important to outline the circumstances in which he started. In March 2020, the world came to a standstill due to the corona pandemic. Sporting was in a recovery phase after a turbulent period in which the club had received negative publicity due to attacks by ultras on players. These attacks on the training complex led to the departure of Bas Dost, Rafael Leão and Rui Patrício, among others. In addition, Sporting had not been champions for eighteen years, and the departure of Bruno Fernandes to Manchester United did not improve the situation. A worse entry point for a young, ambitious coach seemed almost unthinkable. Yet, at the age of 36, Rúben Amorim led Sporting to the title a year later. He unleashed a true revolution at the club.
Despite the opportunity to work for a top European club – such as Tottenham Hotspur, who approached him after Antonio Conte left, Chelsea after Graham Potter was fired and Liverpool after Jurgen Klopp left – Amorim chose to take the reins himself, as he had done in previous opportunities. He felt that his work at Sporting was not yet done. He demands a lot from his players, but also from himself. Everything has to fall into place for him before he takes on a new challenge. Will it be Manchester United?
Why would it be weird. Also, to be clear, Ruud's coaching isn't why ETH failed. We have had at least half a dozen United assistants over the past decade who previously either played or served in assistant manager roles prior to returning under a new United manager.
Which site ?
Could put Eriksen in Bruno's position and play Diallo or Zirkzee for Rashford.
Honestly think our strongest team would be Mainoo/Ugarte/Eriksen - LF Bruno CF Rashford RF Garnacho.
Bruno is giving the ball away far too much all season. If Ten Hag played that team with a pressing midfield along with the pressing forward line I'd guarantee we would have a lot more points.
Going to be easy to compare this to Ten Hag with both coming from leagues where the majority of games are against weak opposition but I think there are a few differences as well. Ten Hag was 52 with a decade of managing already compared to Amorim being 39 with about 5 years experience. When Ten Hag arrived at Ajax they'd had a bad start to the season but it was a side that only a few months before that was the youngest ever to start a European final whereas Sporting were a club in more of a difficult situation to turn around. Amorim also seems more likely to integrate youth/academy players into the squad which is something that feels even more important with the talent we have starting to come through right now.
I also like that he's apparently prepared to come immediately rather than wait. It's still early in the season so it's not a complete free hit, I would expect us still to go far in the Europa League and finish in a decent position in the league whilst seeing improved performances, but there is a degree of being able to see this as a kind of very long pre-season. He's got plenty of time to get his ideas across and also see who is suited to them, what areas we need to target next summer etc.
I also like that he's apparently prepared to come immediately rather than wait. It's still early in the season so it's not a complete free hit, I would expect us still to go far in the Europa League and finish in a decent position in the league whilst seeing improved performances, but there is a degree of being able to see this as a kind of very long pre-season. He's got plenty of time to get his ideas across and also see who is suited to them, what areas we need to target next summer etc.
He's actually inheriting a decent situation.
* expectations are at an all-time low, as is the club, in terms of its league position
* we have a new sporting team in-place who, despite all the negativity, I believe will do a much better job than the previous regimes led by Arnold/Murtough and Woodward/Judge.
* the squad is much, much better than even most of our fans believe, let alone the media and pundits.
* he basically has a free pass until the end of the season at least
* expectations are at an all-time low, as is the club, in terms of its league position
* we have a new sporting team in-place who, despite all the negativity, I believe will do a much better job than the previous regimes led by Arnold/Murtough and Woodward/Judge.
* the squad is much, much better than even most of our fans believe, let alone the media and pundits.
* he basically has a free pass until the end of the season at least
I get your point and would previously have agreed, but just about every manager we have had since Moyes has tried that and I'm not sure it has made any difference so far
Happy for Ruud to stay, but he definitely deserves his own hand picked assistant manager
Probably because assistants aren't going to override bad decision making by the manager himself. I doubt it was ETH's assistants that told him to spend 150m on Antony and Mount, when we could've landed far better quality for the money, all of which resulted in being 14th, underwater in goal difference, and a sacking. Hard to say any assistant would be able to stop bad decisions by the actual manager.
Agreed. No manager we've had since interim Ole will be under less pressure. Hope he makes good use of the rest of the season. Early Klopp is a good barometer to compare with. Iirc he joined with Liverpool in a similar situation, at a similar point of the season.
Fans want leaks, then will complain about leaks.
When a board conducts its business thoroughly and like a proper club, fans moan that they havent done enough.
They clearly have been looking for a manager for a while. Its so obvious that work is being done in the background and we havent just gone, yep he is the man sack Ten Hag and lets negotiate.
These conversations have been happening for weeks now.
I wonder if this appointment is something we've looked at for a while.
Maybe we've spoken to him in the summer and he's said he wants one more season at Sporting, while we were reluctant to sack a manager that the fans were wanting to stay (being fickle and) having just won a trophy. Both parties agree to this, and we look at bringing in signings that suit the prospective new manager such as Ugarte.
Sadly, the old manager proves to be so completely incompetent that he can't even make it through the first part of the season, so we have to abandon the plan and ask Amorim to join early...
Maybe we've spoken to him in the summer and he's said he wants one more season at Sporting, while we were reluctant to sack a manager that the fans were wanting to stay (being fickle and) having just won a trophy. Both parties agree to this, and we look at bringing in signings that suit the prospective new manager such as Ugarte.
Sadly, the old manager proves to be so completely incompetent that he can't even make it through the first part of the season, so we have to abandon the plan and ask Amorim to join early...
On the contrary everyone will be saying « he has 600m squad, a new sporting structure. He has no excuses »
Guess it was meant to be
Was wondering why he has 6 wingers in his squad. This explains it.
The media will already be sharpening their knives. The narrative on him on Sky has already shifted to "One of the best young managers in World Football" to "Unproven outside Portugal"
Voetbal international
Catamo and Quenda were/are wingers also
Next season he will be judged on a different scale but this season I don't see it getting too bad unless he's a disaster.
So do we think this will happen? Reports seem good but it isn't wrapped up yet.
Thanks
Amorim's already taking pictures with fans?Guess it was meant to be
Let's see if he waves to the Sporting fans tonight
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