Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

killerboi2 said:
Words like "philosophy", "process", "system" etc just mostly translate into "I want to play Guardiola's type of football but can't so have to bore my team's fans to death and take us into negative goal difference until everyone has had enough.

Would have rather had Ruud here than this guy after Ruud's start and now that he's sacked Ruud then I've lost even more confidence in him.
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Well said killerboi2. People aren’t living up to their name these days. Atleast you do. Wonder what killerboi1 and killerboi3 has to say?
 
The new team, including Ruben, have to show that it‘s out with the old and in with the new. The old ways/people weren‘t working.

Good luck to Ruben and his staff. They bring Hope with them.
 
horsechoker said:
Why do they look so weird?

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“They really think we know what we are doing”
 
Some really low effort trolling going on in here. Ruud did a good job but his football was the same system as we have had before and it took us nowhere. I'm excited to see where we get with 3-4-3.
 
Hypothetically, I'd like to see us try out the following

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--------------Yoro----------------De Ligt----------------Martinez----------------

---Mazraoui---- Casemiro/Mainoo-----Ugarte-----------Antony-----

---------------------Amad----------------------------Bruno---------------------------

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I'm not a big fan of Antony as a wide forward, but, I can see him being a very good left-wingback on the account that :-

1. He has the best defensive workrate of all the wingers that we have
2. Playing at LWB would remove the right-foot problem that he has
 
Top_Bins said:
Some really low effort trolling going on in here. Ruud did a good job but his football was the same system as we have had before and it took us nowhere. I'm excited to see where we get with 3-4-3.
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Whilst I agree Ruud did a good job it would be hasty to say any more good or bad, he had 4 games, a couple of weeks, he couldn't not begin to makes any kind of real changes and said as much, he was just steadying the ship and getting us through until Amorims arrived

He cannot be judged on his brief spell in charge, any more than Carrick or Giggs could
 
It also kinda looks like Berrada is showing Ruben how managers stand by the sideline during games in England - hands on hips, legs apart, serious look on face
 
Top_Bins said:
Some really low effort trolling going on in here. Ruud did a good job but his football was the same system as we have had before and it took us nowhere. I'm excited to see where we get with 3-4-3.
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I will be surprised he implements his 3-4-2-1 in the very first match with barely a few days of training.
 
Talk formations all you want but the real Million pound question is what will he wear on the sideline? Can't see his jumper and trouser combo working here, especially in this climate
 
sglowrider said:
I will be surprised he implements his 3-4-2-1 in the very first match with barely a few days of training.
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I'd be surprised if he didn't. What would be the point in him being here at all if he isn't to implement the style he is famous for? That would be bald.
 
Hoof the ball said:
Hypothetically, I'd like to see us try out the following

---------------------------------------Onana--------------------------------------------

--------------Yoro----------------De Ligt----------------Martinez----------------

---Mazraoui---- Casemiro/Mainoo-----Ugarte-----------Antony-----

---------------------Amad----------------------------Bruno---------------------------

---------------------------------------Hojlund--------------------------------------------

I'm not a big fan of Antony as a wide forward, but, I can see him being a very good left-wingback on the account that :-

1. He has the best defensive workrate of all the wingers that we have
2. Playing at LWB would remove the right-foot problem that he has
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That is just insanely defensive. A good rule of thumb for 3 ATB systems is to think of the extra CB as a DM. It's like making a midfield three of De Ligt, Casemiro and Ugarte.

Only one of Casemiro / Ugarte can make it there and one of Mainoo / Eriksen / Bruno.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Berrada :lol: he needs two revolvers and cowboy hat, can join Clint Eastwood in the Wild West.
Ashworth, like teenager standing next to his crush, she burped, he aplauded and laughed out loud.
Wilcoxs, "don't know what to say, so will just look down nervously and play ping pong in my pants".
Amorim, "look at those weird fans, are they youtubers, can we get inside, I'm cold and don't understand what they are saying. When will I meet United's COO and SD and TD"?
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:lol:
 
RyRy11 said:
Talk formations all you want but the real Million pound question is what will he wear on the sideline? Can't see his jumper and trouser combo working here, especially in this climate
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Kind of would like to see him continue wearing the armband with the club badge on his sleeve although red armbands do have a different connotation in England :lol:
 
Sporting4Ever said:
Thanks for the comments, I appreciate it.
There's a few reasons behind their choice of timing, but first and foremost is stability.
When things go sideways the people in charge need to take action, to show that they're on top of the problem and that things will get fixed.
That's even more important in a club as big as United. Uncertainty and instability can snowball out of control quickly.
And considering they've been in charge since the Summer and deliberately chose to keep ten Hag when it was clear he was no longer the man for the job, they needed to fix that mistake FAST.

Lastly, I haven't watched United games regularly for a few years now, I mostly catch the highlights.
What I can tell you is that there's a few key characteristics Amorim likes in his players for specific roles.
His center backs need to be good on the ball and, particularly the wide ones, be able to cover for the wide players.

As an example, Sporting have 3 young and strong CBs, Debast on the right, Diomande in the middle and Inácio on the left. Inácio has an amazing left foot, and he's known to make key through balls between the opponent's defenders. Diomande is a boss in the middle, strong and quick, with good positioning. Debast just came in this year but he's looked set to do on the right what Inácio does on the left.
The wingers are very important in his system. They're gonna be running up and down all the time, and while their defensive obligations aren't as high as if they were full backs, they don't have the freedom a "normal" attacking winger would have either. What I noticed is that, in games with more tougher opponents, Amorim usually splits his bet. He'll use someone more defensive in one of the wings, and a more attacking player on the other side. That way he can focus is offense on one side while still maintaining a good cover at the back.
The midfielders also have a ton of work. Since there's just two of them, they're gonna run a lot trying to cover the opponents and recover possession. When we have the ball they sometimes drop back to open passing lines for the CBs and create space for the wingers and forwards to explore. But he's made good use of players with different abilities here. Palhinha was a monster, he covered pretty much the whole space by himself, granting a lot of freedom to his teammate, which was usually Matheus Nunes. Matheus was great with the ball, his box-to-box skills are great, and he'd take us up the field fast and had quite a few goals and assists because of it. Then came Ugarte, which didn't have the coverage of Palhinha, he's still a great defender. There was also Morita, who's a very solid player, good in transition and finding spaces for progression. Hjulmand is another massive midfielder, one destined to be at a to club in a year or two, and lastly Daniel Bragança, who's quick on the ball, quick on his feet, a good dribler, good on passing and shooting.
Lastly, the guys up front. Like many people have pointed out, he now plays with what's basically two 10s behind the striker, but that wasn't always like that. On his 1st title season, we didn't have a striker like Gyökeres, so the 3 attackers shifted a lot in their positions. Our top scorer, and the League's top scorer that season, was Pedro "Pote" Gonçalves. Paulinho didn't join till the winter break, and while he scored crucial goals, most of our wins came from Pote and the other attackers/midfielders.

All this is to basically say a couple of things:
- Amorim wants specific things from his players, but they're not as "limiting" as I've seen people think. He's perfectly happy to adjust certain aspects of the squad to accommodate players to their new roles.
- Because of this, it's not easy to determine what players will or won't fit into his model. Especially since I suspect that his model will evolve as time goes by, and players come and go. Amorim said it, United has an identity, and that's not to play defensively against any opponents. Sporting had a lot of merit in how it explored City's weaknesses, especially in the 2nd half when Pote dropped back to the midfield. But we still had very little possession, and that's not how we usually play, and it's not how United should ever play.
But it'll take time to get to that level, so I suspect he already has an idea on what he's going to start with.
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Another great post. This is really raising the level here. It will be hard to gauge whether or not it's the right call to transition mid-season, unless of course he starts flying. The profiles you mention in your squad aren't really what we have at the minute, but we'll see what Yoro can do, though of course he should not be expected to play like an elite centre back, he's 18.

I think the Casemiro - Ugarte midfield is looking pretty solid and it has freed Casemiro up to be more box to box, and he's a good final third player. He might actually finish his contract here and maybe merit half or two thirds of his wages (!) There'll be plenty of game time for Mainoo but maybe not the over reliance which will serve him well I hope.

I had no idea about your front three prior to Gyökeres, which is illuminating. Hojlund is not the physical player Gyökeres is and he's yet to prove he can stay fit for a long spell at a time, but I think he'll lead that front line and Amorim will task the other players to provide him the service he's been starved off. And not use him as a target man which he's not suited to.

But in terms of how "we should play", I think that's down to personnel. If we haven't got the requisite quality, we won't be going toe to toe with City. And at this moment in time, we're far off. Our fanbase would be over the moon with a dogged 4-1 win against City with 29% (or whatever it was) possession. And we in fact were over the moon with such a performance only last May. Until there are some bona fide elite players that decide the bigger matches in this club that won't change. But if Amorim can get United to dominate games against the tier below and the tier below that, etc. he'll have managed something not seen for a decade.
 
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