Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Regalia]

Most of our players lack the mental tenacity and capacity to play basic football for the full 90mins. Letting down Amorim time and time again. Hopefully we have money to get higher quality players in this summer. Dorgu already showing what someone that fits the profile can do compared to this team of wasters. Besides Ugarte, Dorgu, Bruno and our 20-year olds, the rest all need an upgrade. Every team has a few periphery players that have glaring flaws along with niche strengths but work well in a team where better players compensate for that. Martinelli at Arse, Gakpo at Pool, Kovacic for City, even our own Phil Neville and Butt back in the day. However, we have somehow managed to amass all these '2nd tier' players to make up a full eleven. People need to stop deluding themselves that we are 'clearly a top half team'.

 

[Zumbi]

Off course. But with 3W 3D 9L (havent check) record that's pushing the bottom lowest threshold, all problems aside

I dont expect miracles, but not these free fall into relegation zone

So what would you do? Sack him and get someone else in or give him some time and a transfer window?

 

[Dannn411]

Do we not learn our lesson in this forum?

First its "Oh he's not using his players, give him time".

Then its "He's only just signed his players, they need some time to bed in and adapt."

Then its "Oh he signed his players late in the window and they didnt have a full pre season, give him another season."

And that's how we get in another situation of £400m blown plus massive payoff to be made to another sacked manager.

ANY manager that you have to make so many excuses for is a BAD manager for the club he's at. Period. Great managers make the best out of what they've got and you should be able to see tangible signs of improvement almost immediately. You should not need an entire squad of your own handpicked players to get a team playing well. Especially at the top level. I will never buy that argument.

Let me use Ancelotti as an example. Ancelotti won 2 CLs without the core of the all-conquering Real Madrid side of the 2010s, while they were rebuilding their stadium. If anyone on the planet had excuses not to win for a while, it would be him. (No Ronaldo, Ramos or Varane in 2022. No Benzema, Courtous (up till the final) and Modric was already a bit part player in 2024.) THAT is a top level football manager. You win in spite of the circumstances, not because of them.

 

[Ted Lasso]

So what would you do? Sack him and get someone else in or give him some time and a transfer window?

Sack him and hire a real manager who can steady the ship and reach top 4 with no transfers and just the remaining few months. That's the kind of manager that can make United relevant again!

 

[Ted Lasso]

Do we not learn our lesson in this forum?

First its "Oh he's not using his players, give him time".

Then its "He's only just signed his players, they need some time to bed in and adapt."

Then its "Oh he signed his players late in the window and they didnt have a full pre season, give him another season."

And that's how we get in another situation of £400m blown plus massive payoff to be made to another sacked manager.

ANY manager that you have to make so many excuses for is a BAD manager for the club he's at. Period. Great managers make the best out of what they've got and you should be able to see tangible signs of improvement almost immediately. You should not need an entire squad of your own handpicked players to get a team playing well. Especially at the top level. I will never buy that argument.

Let me use Ancelotti as an example. Ancelotti won 2 CLs without the core of the all-conquering Real Madrid side of the 2010s, while they were rebuilding their stadium. If anyone on the planet had excuses not to win for a while, it would be him. (No Ronaldo, Ramos or Varane in 2022. No Benzema, Courtous (up till the final) and Modric was already a bit part player in 2024.) THAT is a top level football manager. You win in spite of the circumstances, not because of them.

....... Ancelotti the mid table manager from Everton? Finished 12th and 10th with them. If he was so great why didn't he get Top 4?? Everton has spent plenty of money and he got his own transfers in. Hmm?

 

[Sky1981]

So what would you do? Sack him and get someone else in or give him some time and a transfer window?

Yes. If he's not good enough, why risk more?

You'd think a young Pep or SAF cant do better than 339?

Giving time and money to a manager doesnt make them good. They have to show they're good enough with what they have.

Is asking for a cohesive tactics with more wins than lose too much for a United manager?

 

[Sky1981]

....... Ancelotti the mid table manager from Everton? Finished 12th and 10th with them. If he was so great why didn't he get Top 4?? Everton has spent plenty of money and he got his own transfers in. Hmm?

Yet we hire ETH and Amorim. The man who finished 8th and 13ish at best with Manchester United

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

....... Ancelotti the mid table manager from Everton? Finished 12th and 10th with them. If he was so great why didn't he get Top 4?? Everton has spent plenty of money and he got his own transfers in. Hmm?

This goes to @JPRouve's point.

Some managers aren't built for mid-table clubs.

 

[NK86]

The manager has players who know they are not part of his future plans. This is the same as the Ralf situation, where a bunch of these losers downed tools and stopped trying. By sacking ETH mid season and not after the cup final INEOS ensured that this season would be a write off. There is no point getting so worked up about results that don't matter. We're not getting relegated amd we're not getting into Europe through the league. Judge Amorim after he has at least one proper window and a pre season.

This concept that a manager needs a whole new 11 to get us to play half-competent football is a major reason of why we have landed in this situation. We heard the same thing with Eth and this is the squad we have ended up with when a lot of fans were clamouring that the players in our squad are not fit for purpose. Result - we have gotten worse somehow.

Do back the manager with good signings but if a manager is struggling to get the bare minimum out of the current lot then we are just hoping and blindly expecting that he will turn it around with 3-4 new players. When Klopp came mid season, he had his struggles with a team much worse than this, but you could see a clear style of play developing in how he wanted his Liverpool to set up. What exactly are we seeing currently?

I am afraid we are going down the same rabbit hole where a manager is struggling and we think only getting more players is the solution. The manager is a major part of the problem.

 

[NK86]

Its down to ETH and Amorin. This squad is an absolute abomination for what Ten Hag threw at in on personnel. Barely a good payer signed.

ETH is absolutely to be blamed for the current state of our squad who are nowhere near CL level despite spending more than half a billion.

Amorim has somehow compounded the matter with the way he is setting us up to not suit anyone in this team.

 

[Zumbi]

Yes. If he's not good enough, why risk more?

You'd think a young Pep or SAF cant do better than 339?

Giving time and money to a manager doesnt make them good. They have to show they're good enough with what they have.

Is asking for a cohesive tactics with more wins than lose too much for a United manager?

Oh, so you’re serious? You’d actually sack him now after just a few months in charge?

I think that’s a ludicrously bad idea. Our season is done anyway, so what are we risking by giving him some time and a transfer window? The only thing that sacking him guarantees is us having even less money to spend on rebuilding the squad.

Amorim didn’t get the job by accident. His name wasn’t pulled out of a raffle. He was hired because he’s considered to be one of the top young managers in Europe, turning around Sporting’s fortunes after two decades of them not winning. But it took him some time to turn around Sporting’s fortunes - it didn’t happen overnight. It only happened after he was given some time and some backing. So why would you expect it to happen overnight here after joining mid season with a squad whose discipline and confidence were already shot to pieces?

And who cares what Pep or Fergie would do? They’re not available. It’s worth remembering that some fans were calling for Fergie’s head after an uninspiring start though.

 

[Sky1981]

The manager has players who know they are not part of his future plans. This is the same as the Ralf situation, where a bunch of these losers downed tools and stopped trying. By sacking ETH mid season and not after the cup final INEOS ensured that this season would be a write off. There is no point getting so worked up about results that don't matter. We're not getting relegated amd we're not getting into Europe through the league. Judge Amorim after he has at least one proper window and a pre season.

A manager can be judged after 5 months on the job if the KPI are fair and objectives

We're not asking for top 4, just a visible plan with the squad improving week by week and getting closer to showing workable tactic

These lot will still be here come next season as we can't afford a completely new starting XI, if he can't formulate a tactic that at least hide their weakness and at least shown us that he has what it takes to tweak and adapt. I dont think he's the man for the job

Good manager assess, and formulate a tactics that suits the current condition. That has always been the case in all walk of life. He could revert back to his tactics once he gets the players he needs, it's just a matter of 1 month retraining.

Managers changes tactics, teams changes manager all the time. We're the only one who needs 2 season and a new starting XI everytime we change manager.

 

[Sky1981]

Most of our players lack the mental tenacity and capacity to play basic football for the full 90mins. Letting down Amorim time and time again. Hopefully we have money to get higher quality players in this summer. Dorgu already showing what someone that fits the profile can do compared to this team of wasters. Besides Ugarte, Dorgu, Bruno and our 20-year olds, the rest all need an upgrade. Every team has a few periphery players that have glaring flaws along with niche strengths but work well in a team where better players compensate for that. Martinelli at Arse, Gakpo at Pool, Kovacic for City, even our own Phil Neville and Butt back in the day. However, we have somehow managed to amass all these '2nd tier' players to make up a full eleven. People need to stop deluding themselves that we are 'clearly a top half team'.

You should stop deluding yourself that we're 15th best team too.

If Amorim gets 10th he's shown more than good enough for me. Not languishing 15 with no visible improvement after 5 months on the job. Plus he has a winter window, it's not ideal but it should be adequate to at least stop gap our season from sliding into relegation zone. He's not doing things fast enough.

 

[Sky1981]

Oh, so you’re serious? You’d actually sack him now after just a few months in charge?

I think that’s a ludicrously bad idea. Our season is done anyway, so what are we risking by giving him some time and a transfer window? The only thing that sacking him guarantees is us having even less money to spend on rebuilding the squad.

Amorim didn’t get the job by accident. His name wasn’t pulled out of a raffle. He was hired because he’s considered to be one of the top young managers in Europe, turning around Sporting’s fortunes after two decades of them not winning. But it took him some time to turn around Sporting’s fortunes - it didn’t happen overnight. It only happened after he was given some time and some backing. So why would you expect it to happen overnight here after joining mid season with a squad whose discipline and confidence were already shot to pieces?

And who cares what Pep or Fergie would do? They’re not available. It’s worth remembering that some fans were calling for Fergie’s head after an uninspiring start though.

Would love to be proven wrong. But i won't bet on it.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

A manager can be judged after 5 months on the job if the KPI are fair and objectives

We're not asking for top 4, just a visible plan with the squad improving week by week and getting closer to showing workable tactic

These lot will still be here come next season as we can't afford a completely new starting XI, if he can't formulate a tactic that at least hide their weakness and at least shown us that he has what it takes to tweak and adapt. I dont think he's the man for the job

Good manager assess, and formulate a tactics that suits the current condition. That has always been the case in all walk of life. He could revert back to his tactics once he gets the players he needs, it's just a matter of 1 month retraining.

Managers changes tactics, teams changes manager all the time. We're the only one who needs 2 season and a new starting XI everytime we change manager.

That's the thing that concerns me. How many new players do people expect us to bring in this summer? 3, maybe 4 maximum? And with our track record, at least 1 or 2 of them will turn out to be shit.

So for better or worse, most of this current squad is going nowhere any time soon.

Has anyone seen anything in the last 4 months to suggest that something is just going to suddenly "click" with these players and they'll start producing consistent, coherent, match-winning football?

Unless Amorim's preseasons are phenomenal, and he somehow has the team firing on all cylinders come the start of next season, at the moment I find it hard to envisage where the improvement is going to come from.

 

[Adnan]

Put Scholes and Keane in the midfield for this team and it'd still be pretty shit to be honest. Would of course be better but our midfield pairing is far from the problem currently anyway. Without a goalscorer and better decision making in attack, we will never get anywhere.

Keane and Scholes would massively improve this team. This is a team that can't build play vertically though midfield and with Keane and Scholes we'd actually have a midfield that have the ability to be central options for the GK and backline to pass into midfield and hence the midfielders having the ability to provide a vertical passing threat of a high level without compromising on ball retention. We currently have backwards and sideways merchants in midfield and hence too much responsibility is being placed on the backline to progress the ball forward.

And if you as a team are one dimensional as far as progressing the ball from the back is concerned, then you will struggle in the EPL and it will definitely affect the attacking players from having the platform to play to their potential.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Keane and Scholes would massively improve this team. This is a team that can't build play vertically though midfield and with Keane and Scholes we'd actually have a midfield that have the ability to be central options for the GK and backline to pass into midfield and hence the midfielders having the ability to provide a vertical passing threat of a high level without compromising on ball retention. We currently have backwards and sideways merchants in midfield and hence too much responsibility is being placed on the backline to progress the ball forward.

And if you as a team are one dimensional as far as progressing the ball from the back is concerned, then you will struggle in the EPL and it will definitely affect the attacking players from having the platform to play to their potential.

Playing Keane & Scholes would mean crap all when we have Hojlund & Zirkzee up top & Onana in goal.

We might have a better midfield with Keane & scoles but we would lack any players that are still good in their role.

 

[Tarrou]

I think this squad as a collective is completely ill equipped for the demands of Premier League football and he's been handed a shitshow, but it's going to be really difficult for him to turn this around.

I agree with this. We look physically weaker than every team we face and have done for a few years.

On top of that we also don't have the right players to play his system.

 

[Adnan]

Playing Keane & Scholes would mean crap all when we have Hojlund & Zirkzee up top & Onana in goal.

We might have a better midfield with Keane & scoles but we would lack any players that are still good in their role.

Having Keane and Scholes would allow us to control the build up at a much higher level hence having more of the ball which would allow us to play the game in the opponent's half. Keane on his own would also improve us significantly as far as controlling the defensive transitions alongside the CBs which would give more leeway to the wingers to stay higher up the pitch. And when you have players who can progress the ball from the back and into midfield at a good level, it allows more players to commit themselves into the opponent's half.

This team doesn't have the players who can do that hence we just don't create enough chanes against teams who are settled in their tactical shape and have to rely on quick transitions.

If the aim is to create a system of play with the aim to control the game in a dominant fashion then the backline and midfield have to be able to control the game in-possession at a high level with a high level of vertical passing threat along with the ability to control the game out of possession against the transition in a higher defensive line. We can't do this and the biggest issue imo is the midfield, and a system of play cannot develop without having the correct components within the aforementioned positions.

 

[Zumbi]

That's the thing that concerns me. How many new players do people expect us to bring in this summer? 3, maybe 4 maximum? And with our track record, at least 1 or 2 of them will turn out to be shit.

So for better or worse, most of this current squad is going nowhere any time soon.

Has anyone seen anything in the last 4 months to suggest that something is just going to suddenly "click" with these players and they'll start producing consistent, coherent, match-winning football?

Unless Amorim's preseasons are phenomenal, and he somehow has the team firing on all cylinders come the start of next season, at the moment I find it hard to envisage where the improvement is going to come from.

Assuming the Rashford, Sancho and Anthony loans turn in to sales, I could see us maybe bringing in 4-6 players. I just don’t think they’ll be expensive, higher profile, finished article type players on big wages. I think they’ll all be Mazraoui/Dorgu type signings, with a focus on improving our speed, physicality and mentality.

And yes, I can see something clicking and us producing coherent, match winning football. I wouldn’t say it’s likely, but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see such a significant improvement. When you’re in a massive slump like this, it’s easy to forget that football is a game of fine margins. A few changes here and there can dramatically change a team’s fortunes, for better or worse. I don’t think anyone predicted City’s struggles this year, or Forest’s success.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

You can transform a team quite magically over a summer.

Realistically the types of players he would want would be perfect for any manager after. What do we need to excel in his system?

A good number 9? Yeh anyone can use that.

Two mobile number 10s who can occupy the half space? Yeh sounds good

Two athletic midfielders who can work in a two. One more a ball winner and the other a bit more progressive ball carrier/passer? Yeh great they could both play in a midfield three.

Two wing backs who are essentially wingers? Great they could just be on our wingers if we reverted to a 4-3-3

Three centre backs, two of whom are quick enough to get out to defending the channels? Well wouldn’t that be a good skill for any CB to have rather than the lumbering Maguire and De Ligt?

Amorim basically wants technical and athletic players. Us investing in his style wouldn’t harm us because the majority of this players could work going forward.

It's easy to frame things this way. The hard part is to actually do it. Pretty much every serious clubs wants technical and athletic players. Everyone wants a midfielder who is very athletic but also creative or a great ball winner or whatever, defenders who are quick, etc. Clubs don't set out to buy lumbering defenders and technically incompetent midfielders.

In reality you have to compromise. You may only get a few sub-qualities for certain, and hope the rest can be developed or are sufficient at their current level. That's where the dilemma of 'rigid system' comes from. Can your system accept those player compromises?

 

[Highfather_24]

People who think buying a striker will solve our goalscoring problems dont understand football tbh.

Adnan is right. Our main issue every match is lack of progression from our CBs, CMs and WBs. We keep circulating the ball between them sideways, without any sort of threat.

Martinez is our best progressor in CB. He's out for the season. Eriksen is our best in midfield. He never plays. That's why he goes for Bruno in CM.

You can have prime Ronaldo as our CF, we still wont score because the ball will hardly ever reach him.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Emery was displeased with him was he?

I see he came on and set up both their goals today to beat Chelsea. If he starts the next game is he first choice? Or is 3-4 games too small a sample size?

I’m not predicting the future. Just correcting your error.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

People who think buying a striker will solve our goalscoring problems dont understand football tbh.

Adnan is right. Our main issue every match is lack of progression from our CBs, CMs and WBs. We keep circulating the ball between them sideways, without any sort of threat.

Martinez is our best progressor in CB. He's out for the season. Eriksen is our best in midfield. He never plays. That's why he goes for Bruno in CM.

You can have prime Ronaldo as our CF, we still wont score because the ball will hardly ever reach him.

Well personally if I had Keane & Scholes trying to set up Hojlunds non existence runs - vs - Bruno & Ugarte trying to set up a Michael Owen making line breaking runs in behind the defence..

Then I personally know what to chose.

You can have the best midfield in the world but ultimately if the game is focused on getting the best out of your striker then the striker has to be good enough.

 

[r0663664]

Do we not learn our lesson in this forum?

First its "Oh he's not using his players, give him time".

Then its "He's only just signed his players, they need some time to bed in and adapt."

Then its "Oh he signed his players late in the window and they didnt have a full pre season, give him another season."

And that's how we get in another situation of £400m blown plus massive payoff to be made to another sacked manager.

ANY manager that you have to make so many excuses for is a BAD manager for the club he's at. Period. Great managers make the best out of what they've got and you should be able to see tangible signs of improvement almost immediately. You should not need an entire squad of your own handpicked players to get a team playing well. Especially at the top level. I will never buy that argument.

Let me use Ancelotti as an example. Ancelotti won 2 CLs without the core of the all-conquering Real Madrid side of the 2010s, while they were rebuilding their stadium. If anyone on the planet had excuses not to win for a while, it would be him. (No Ronaldo, Ramos or Varane in 2022. No Benzema, Courtous (up till the final) and Modric was already a bit part player in 2024.) THAT is a top level football manager. You win in spite of the circumstances, not because of them.

I agree but think Ancelotti isn't a good example or Real Madrid. Dorgu is already an upgrade and we need a few of them.

 

[mattunited1978]

Formation is woeful, its making poor players look even worse through less options going forward.

 

[Highfather_24]

Well personally if I had Keane & Scholes trying to set up Hojlunds non existence runs - vs - Bruno & Ugarte trying to set up a Michael Owen making line breaking runs in behind the defence..

Then I personally know what to chose.

You can have the best midfield in the world but ultimately if the game is focused on getting the best out of your striker then the striker has to be good enough.

Its not just the strikers responsibility to score goals. Often in our best seasons, we had forwards in our wings who would chip in with lots of goals(Rashford, Greenwood, Ronaldo etc).

Do we need an upgrade on Hojlund/Zirkzee? feck yes. But doing just that wont help solve our problems. The rot lies deeper.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

I’m sick of these revolutionary formation managers, who seem to lack the versatility to adapt their methods to the squad they have.

How he’s setting up this two man midfield is exposed us against Ipswich and is continuing to do so. Except for rotating the ball from side to side I see no benefit from 3 at the back also. We are a mess and I don’t see it changing for the rest of the season.

I would be very curious of starting this new cycle under Amorim, considering if it doesn’t work you have another set of specialised players which might not suit the new managers style.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

Its not just the strikers responsibility to score goals. Often in our best seasons, we had forwards in our wings who would chip in with lots of goals(Rashford, Greenwood, Ronaldo etc).

Do we need an upgrade on Hojlund/Zirkzee? feck yes. But doing just that wont help solve our problems. The rot lies deeper.

Again it depends. What is the exact purpose of the two 10s as under Amorim it’s like the fullbacks are the ones who are suppose to chip in with the goals.

We have Bruno, Garnacho and now Zirkzee operating those possessions and they seem to never score when playing there.

 

[Gavinb33]

If anyone watched MoTD last night/this morning Shearer eviscerated the players/managers the pressing yesterday was pathetic and basically non existent whereas Everton's pressing from minute one was on point and smothering

 

[Drainy]

Formation is woeful, its making poor players look even worse through less options going forward.

no, thats the players not moving, not scanning and not being brave to turn on the ball. You can blame the formation if you want but its been the same for fecking years so looks like an agenda if you do.

 

[Highfather_24]

Again it depends. What is the exact purpose of the two 10s as under Amorim it’s like the fullbacks are the ones who are suppose to chip in with the goals.

We have Bruno, Garnacho and now Zirkzee operating those possessions and they seem to never score when playing there.

I agree. Our #10s not being able to be creative, operate in tight spaces and chip in with goals is one of the reasons we suck so much at the moment. None of the players you mentioned is a good fit for that role.

The primary issue is our squad is just not that well suited to the roles required in a 3-4-2-1.

Onana
Maz--MdL--Martinez
Amad--Ugarte--Bruno--Dorgu
Mount--Zirkzee-Garnacho
​

This is probably our best team. And I can see atleast 3-4 players not in their best role(Bruno, Garnacho etc). While some others just not being good enough(Zirkzee) or available(Martinez, Amad, Mount).

Its a mess.

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

I'll start this post by saying Amorim shouldn't be sacked.

However, again, it's bizarre how people are seemingly ok with us tossing our league season away. The difference in prize money between 10th and 16th place is 20 million.

When the club is making loads of people redundant to save a couple of million, it's amazing how many people are ok with us seemingly winning one league game out of every five.

People keep saying that last season wasn't much better in terms of performances but even then we finished 8th ffs. We could genuinely finish 16th this season persisting with a formation that just doesn't work with the players. That's fine. You need to adapt. The squad building has been a mess but the results at the moment are on the manager because of decisions he's made rather than Ten Hag/Ashworth.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Oh, so you’re serious? You’d actually sack him now after just a few months in charge?

I think that’s a ludicrously bad idea. Our season is done anyway, so what are we risking by giving him some time and a transfer window? The only thing that sacking him guarantees is us having even less money to spend on rebuilding the squad.

Amorim didn’t get the job by accident. His name wasn’t pulled out of a raffle. He was hired because he’s considered to be one of the top young managers in Europe, turning around Sporting’s fortunes after two decades of them not winning. But it took him some time to turn around Sporting’s fortunes - it didn’t happen overnight. It only happened after he was given some time and some backing. So why would you expect it to happen overnight here after joining mid season with a squad whose discipline and confidence were already shot to pieces?

And who cares what Pep or Fergie would do? They’re not available. It’s worth remembering that some fans were calling for Fergie’s head after an uninspiring start though.

How big would his pay off be? 10-15 mil? How relevant is that amount in rebuilding the squad? You don't buy one leg of a decent player with that amount in today's market, maybe a youngster, let's not find another excuse for him, please. The fact that the board didn't set up a minimum league expectation or league position is absolutely idiotic.

And it's not sacking him after few months, it's sacking after a horrendous few months, the worst we had in over 30 years.
The no1 reason I believe he is not the right man, is not necessarily the fact that we play like shite and results are shite, but the fact he uses the same system and even said he will never change, this stubbornness is the most worrying thing. All top managers have adapted and changed based on the surrounding environment, the players they've had, the club, the context, etc.

What he did at Sporting is great, but Man Utd is another level and few managers can make it at this level.

 

[Desert Eagle]

This concept that a manager needs a whole new 11 to get us to play half-competent football is a major reason of why we have landed in this situation. We heard the same thing with Eth and this is the squad we have ended up with when a lot of fans were clamouring that the players in our squad are not fit for purpose. Result - we have gotten worse somehow.

Do back the manager with good signings but if a manager is struggling to get the bare minimum out of the current lot then we are just hoping and blindly expecting that he will turn it around with 3-4 new players. When Klopp came mid season, he had his struggles with a team much worse than this, but you could see a clear style of play developing in how he wanted his Liverpool to set up. What exactly are we seeing currently?

I am afraid we are going down the same rabbit hole where a manager is struggling and we think only getting more players is the solution. The manager is a major part of the problem.

Nobody is saying give him all the time in the world and a brand new 11 but the guy has only been here a few months and signed one young left back. He's also lost his best player to a season ending injury and loaned out three attacking players. Amorim might be the right manager or he might be the wrong one. We do not know either way yet. By this November/December we will have a pretty good idea.

 

[redDNA]

We as fans have contributed to this decadence by erroneously thinking that time and new players will make in ill-suited manager good.

Amorim has not shown anything to earn a new season, if a coach/player needs x or y to perform ,that us simply making excuses.

4 Months is enough for a manager to show what he us trying to achieve but being let down by poor players.

Anybody thinking that buying 4-6 will magically fix some the fundamental issues which solely Amorim's fault is in for a shock.

There's nothing wrong in moving on early from a player/coach who is not working. Prouding ourselves as a club that gives managers/players time they have not earn is why we are in this state.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

....... Ancelotti the mid table manager from Everton? Finished 12th and 10th with them. If he was so great why didn't he get Top 4?? Everton has spent plenty of money and he got his own transfers in. Hmm?

In his only full season at Everton they got 59 points, which was higher than then previous 3 seasons. Since he left Everton average about 20 less points.

 

[Desert Eagle]

A manager can be judged after 5 months on the job if the KPI are fair and objectives

We're not asking for top 4, just a visible plan with the squad improving week by week and getting closer to showing workable tactic

These lot will still be here come next season as we can't afford a completely new starting XI, if he can't formulate a tactic that at least hide their weakness and at least shown us that he has what it takes to tweak and adapt. I dont think he's the man for the job

Good manager assess, and formulate a tactics that suits the current condition. That has always been the case in all walk of life. He could revert back to his tactics once he gets the players he needs, it's just a matter of 1 month retraining.

Managers changes tactics, teams changes manager all the time. We're the only one who needs 2 season and a new starting XI everytime we change manager.

He is a one formation manager unfortunately and the club knew that when they hired him. Some managers chop and change to suit the squad and others stick to their style no matter what. Pep is part of the latter group and he's one of the most successful managers ever. Having hired him, it makes no sense to expect him to change his entire football philosophy. It's on INEOS that they made this change knowing our players are completely unsuited to Amorim.

 

[Jev]

Nobody is saying give him all the time in the world and a brand new 11 but the guy has only been here a few months and signed one young left back. He's also lost his best player to a season ending injury and loaned out three attacking players. Amorim might be the right manager or he might be the wrong one. We do not know either way yet. By this November/December we will have a pretty good idea.

This is not entirely true. There are quite a few posters suggesting the current results and performances don’t really matter seeing as most of the players won’t be part of Amorim’s future team anyway and will be replaced by players who suit the system, which means signing specialists for niche positions (wing-backs and winger/10 hybrids) in a niche system. The poster you’re quoting is absolutely correct in that this is the kind of faulty thinking that got us here in the first place. Which is why we needed a manager who would build on what we had, rather than one who wants to rip it all up, again.

 

[mitchmouse]

Rio right to point out that during games when the system isn't working, you need to be less stubborn and more flexible. Doesn't mean dropping system all together forever more... and pundits on MoTD right to point out that Amorim appears not be getting across to the players what it is that he wants.They look lost so much of the time

Players have been bad, team looks disjointed but the boss isn't immune from criticism... I don't expect him to be getting a new contract any time soon (ie at all)! That's not me calling for him to sacked, I just think both parties will decide it isn't working