Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Fooza said:
And we'll get the Bounemouth manager, he comes in and few months down the line, "why isn't he getting us to play good football, sack him" . Rinse and repeat any other manager

This is what people said about Amorim when they saw how good Sporting were playing
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The team needs dismantling and rebuilding, unfortunately due to money issues that is likely to take longer than anyone anticipated. He also has to learn he can tweak his formation when needed, that might come with experience as he is still young as a manager.
 
DJ_21 said:
Everton will beat us . There on a flyer at the minute. We’ll beat Ipswich though
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Not sure, anyone we play are rubbing their hands especially at old Trafford, how bad is that. Ipswich will give us a game.
 
Bojan11 said:
This team is better than 8 league defeats in 11. Amorim was brought in to replace ETH, who wasn’t even performing this badly. Why sign him? If he is going to perform worse than ETH. It was never this bad under ETH as every league game we go into right now, I am expecting us to lose.

All this talk about systems, at the end of the day Amorim was brought in mid season to improve the results and not have us sitting in 15th.

Moyes has turned around Everton. Do they have a better team than us? No.
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Well since EtH this team has gotten worse, depth wise, which is shocking I know since it's only been a few months. EtH also had a better year with Cas and Rashford till it's gone tits up. I don't know, I'd rather Everton's attack than ours that's for sure, I honestly can't see a goal with Zirkzee, Hojlund and Gernacho anytime soon.

I know the above look's like excuses for Amorim, but honestly, I'm more 'our team is fecking shite' first than Amorim is the problem. genuinely, I can't see any manager come in and sort out the gk problem, the goalscoring problem, the midfield issues.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
The real nonsense is the belief that 1-2 new players and a preseason will make a huge difference. I don't think so, we need many more players, which we can't afford. We average 1 p per game and Amorim can't really improve us. We are the new Everton.
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If we were the new Everton we would be moving into a new modern stadium and moving up the table. Being the new Everton sounds pretty good at the moment.
 
GlazersHater said:
It'll be a miracle if he makes it to next season. This is getting worse and worse, can't score to save our lives and injuries have crippled us even when we already have a weak squad.

Have faith in him but this is clearly not working, the players are neither good enough nor up to it.
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You’ve just described us under our last manager. Is it possible the new manager isn’t actually the problem here?
 
Fooza said:
Well since EtH this team has gotten worse, depth wise, which is shocking I know since it's only been a few months. EtH also had a better year with Cas and Rashford till it's gone tits up. I don't know, I'd rather Everton's attack than ours that's for sure, I honestly can't see a goal with Zirkzee, Hojlund and Gernacho anytime soon.

I know the above look's like excuses for Amorim, but honestly, I'm more 'our team is fecking shite' first than Amorim is the problem. genuinely, I can't see any manager come in and sort out the gk problem, the goalscoring problem, the midfield issues.
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I think we have to pray that Chidi Obi has an explosive career start at 18.
 
NZT-One said:
A goal scorer would definitely help in terms of taking the immediate sting out and potentially decrease the pressure that mounts with bad results. But it is also a bit short sighted. I mean, it is obvious that we aren't playing well. Not at all. Even if we had 10 goals more and a few more wins, that wouldn't change so this is where we have to invest. How many goal scorers are out there that can keep their output stable when they have to feed off scraps? Not a lot. Other teams also do just fine without that goalscorer figure because they are able to create multiple high quality chances per game where you dont need the worlds best strikers to get results from most of the time.

He was a goal thread by completely surrendering any form of competitive shape. Whenever we brought on McTominay, the game became frantic because we added a ram at the cost of another player in midfield. An area of the pitch where are, at this point almost traditionally, comically bad at. Looking back at McTominay is just half a level away from "lets play with 5 strikers then because it will up the goal threat"

Not only that. I think, there are just as much people out there that think that the only way of improving a side is by adding new pieces to it. After seeing the rise of Brighton and Brentford people have to acknowledge, that organisation on the pitch is just as important as having good individuals on the pitch. It boggles the mind how many fans still seem to think that you just roll the dice and at some point, you stumble upon a combination of points, that will win you stuff.

Well said. Completely agree. While adding a goal scorer absolutely makes sense to alleviate the immediate pressure, it must not come at the cost of improving the ability of the team in key areas of the game in general. Focussing on a goal scorer right now just because the pain is too big to take will only lead to having less momentum to go and improve the team in terms of gaining and maintaining control of the pitch and the ball. Our midfield isn't up to standards since like 6 or 7 years and the last decent combination wasn't even that impressive in Herrera, Pogba and Matic. Players in their physical peaks and with a good combination of skills with and without the ball. Since then we tried to get something going with makeshift CMs like Eriksen and Bruno and players too young or too old to challenge at the upper half of the table.
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You're absolutely correct and we seem to have gone backwards as far as constructing a functional midfield to a high level. When we see other clubs who are doing well, it's no surprise that those clubs have a group of players in the first two lines who progress the ball vertically at a good level whilst also being able to contain/control the opponent's transitions in larger spaces.

Klopp's Liverpool was a team full of players with pace and power in the first two lines and enabled them to play higher up the pitch which made them better at pressing from the front because the guys behind the press had squeezed the pitch behind them. As much as Wijnaldum and Henderson were said to be weak as individual players they were both extremely important to how Liverpool progressed the ball and also defended transitions in a higher line.

So if you as a team can't progress the ball from the back into midfield and beyond at a high enough level then the whole system of play will be dysfunctional. And that's the problem with this team and it's crying out for midfielders who are befitting of a club of United's stature. If you want to play with high intensity as a team and want to progress the ball with efficiency, press from the front and contain/control transitions, then you need a much better midfield because this midfield as a composition is nowhere near good enough and it doesn't matter who the coach is because this midfield needs improving regardless. And improving the midfield to a high level will yield the biggest benefit to the team and system from what I can see currently. The likes of Ugarte should be rotation options and used like Ji Sung Park was for specific games.
 
Fooza said:
Well since EtH this team has gotten worse, depth wise, which is shocking I know since it's only been a few months. EtH also had a better year with Cas and Rashford till it's gone tits up. I don't know, I'd rather Everton's attack than ours that's for sure, I honestly can't see a goal with Zirkzee, Hojlund and Gernacho anytime soon.

I know the above look's like excuses for Amorim, but honestly, I'm more 'our team is fecking shite' first than Amorim is the problem. genuinely, I can't see any manager come in and sort out the gk problem, the goalscoring problem, the midfield issues.
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Everton's attack yesterday was Beto who scored 3 PL goals last season, James Harrison and Lindstrom there is no fecking way those players are better than our 3 yet one manager is able to get some belief into their forwards and here we are struggling to do anything.

If I'm a betting man these players already were not having this manager when in his 1st press conference he told the world it would be shit for a while, how do you build confidence by saying these words, Moyes didn't come out and go oh yeah we'll be even worse and probably go down but after that we'll be ok
 
Antony has a goal and an assist for Betis tonight for Betis yet the out of his depth Amorim thought he wasnt good enough to even make a sub appearance for us.
 
2 man midfield said:
You’re right, but if you swapped the managers over would the results be any different?
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Well, that's the billion dollar question. It depends what we are blaming our problems on. I am beginning to think our problems are asking the team to play a system that they don't like, or they on't really fit and now they don't believe in it - so there isn't a commitment to it. Are we not less than the sum of the individual parts ? I also can't support someone who continually picks a goalkeeper that the majority of those who watch believe to truly rubbish. The stupidity of that decision makes me lose faith in anything that he says or does. For me replacing Onana is such an easy decision and if he won't do that, how can we have faith that he knows what he is doing in anything else ?
 
Fooza said:
And we'll get the Bounemouth manager, he comes in and few months down the line, "why isn't he getting us to play good football, sack him" . Rinse and repeat any other manager

This is what people said about Amorim when they saw how good Sporting were playing
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Unfortunately I don't think that you are wrong. So what the heck do we do ?
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
The real nonsense is the belief that 1-2 new players and a preseason will make a huge difference. I don't think so, we need many more players, which we can't afford. We average 1 p per game and Amorim can't really improve us. We are the new Everton.
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A couple players could make a big difference to our strongest XI, however we aren't in a position to sign the most sought after players, and our squad overall probably needs 6-8 players.

Unsure on Amorim but certainly sceptical. Will take a miracle for him to turn it around. Numerous others have failed to do so.
 
Genuinely bizarre that people attempt to defend Rashford and Antony and use it as something to attack the club with. They've been dogshit at United for fecking months. We all should be happy Antony's doing well in a different league, we might actually get some money for him if he keeps it up. Just agenda posting nonsense.
 
Pexbo said:
You’ve just described us under our last manager. Is it possible the new manager isn’t actually the problem here?
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Although there’s been a few promising additions to the team during the last two windows, there’s an inherent floor with squad. I personally think any manager would struggle incorporating them to work or adapt effectively into any system.
 
Adnan said:
You're absolutely correct and we seem to have gone backwards as far as constructing a functional midfield to a high level. When we see other clubs who are doing well, it's no surprise that those clubs have a group of players in the first two lines who progress the ball vertically at a good level whilst also being able to contain/control the opponent's transitions in larger spaces.

Klopp's Liverpool was a team full of players with pace and power in the first two lines and enabled them to play higher up the pitch which made them better at pressing from the front because the guys behind the press had squeezed the pitch behind them. As much as Wijnaldum and Henderson were said to be weak as individual players they were both extremely important to how Liverpool progressed the ball and also defended transitions in a higher line.

So if you as a team can't progress the ball from the back into midfield and beyond at a high enough level then the whole system of play will be dysfunctional. And that's the problem with this team and it's crying out for midfielders who are befitting of a club of United's stature. If you want to play with high intensity as a team and want to progress the ball with efficiency, press from the front and contain/control transitions, then you need a much better midfield because this midfield as a composition is nowhere near good enough and it doesn't matter who the coach is because this midfield needs improving regardless. And improving the midfield to a high level will yield the biggest benefit to the team and system from what I can see currently. The likes of Ugarte should be rotation options and used like Ji Sung Park was for specific games.
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Agreed, yet Ugarte is our only CM purchase these last two years. We truly need 6-9 new players.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Won big trophies where?

In Chelsea? Right?.

Ranieri won PL in Leicester should we copy him?
Di Matteo won UCL should we copy his tactis, or what is the criteria of choosing the big titles to emulate?

Tactis is System. The structure.

Amorim System or Tactis is playing with 5 DEFENDERS.
That is his system , that is his tactis. If not, we would have played otherwise.

Football game has 11 players. Remove 5 defenders. Add GoalKeeper. You have 6 defenders, players who are not expected to score.

You have 5 more players to attack and score goals.
Add another defensive midfield. Thats 7 players.
You have only 4 players at best to attack and construct a positive attack.
You wonder why we dont score or even create attacking patterns. We have only 4 players who should create attacks against opposition team.

That is the tactics or the system or the structure of back 3. Thats why its not used by elite managers. And its biggest -ve attribute is no where has it been used consistently and delivered success. One time success happens. Like Leicester and Chelsea 2012 or Chelsea 2021. But consistently winning trophies wingbacks will never cut it.

Even Conte now is not using wingbacks and it will usually deliver the league title.
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Firstly chill out; I'm just making a point which is correct btw

Secondly no, Tactics and systems are different. They relate but are essentially differ.

I'm not in anyway defending Amorim just saying that football is about the players not necessarily the system. If it's not working then coaches like Amorim should adapt.

But to say teams can't be successful under a 343 is short sighted.
 
Fooza said:
And we'll get the Bounemouth manager, he comes in and few months down the line, "why isn't he getting us to play good football, sack him" . Rinse and repeat any other manager

This is what people said about Amorim when they saw how good Sporting were playing
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Yeah, sacking managers was our problem
 
groovyalbert said:
I honestly don't know why he took the job
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It is odd if it is right he was after the West Ham job? Sure that was what someone said during the summer. He should have stood his ground and said no I will only take the job in the summer. Berrada would have had a big decision to make then.
 
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It’s a shit article because it avoids the whole discussion around the actual ability of this team, especially as a collective. Is there a way of finding a balance? Two managers with two different systems haven’t found it. This team, statistically should have finished 14th last season. This season that seems to be coming home to roost. So how can we say this team is capable of much better?

This is where I’m struggling right now. I’m a bit of a hypocrite because a lot of the criticisms I levelled at pro Ten Hag supporters are the same that could be said about me and others right now. But like I said earlier, I’m just loathe to talk about tactics and failed coaching when these players are playing so poorly, failing at basic things even most of the better Sunday league players don’t get wrong. How can we begin to judge tactics or anything else when the players are failing at such basic things and not giving us any chance of finding out if the tactics are any good?
 
I'm beginning to look at the whole picture with Amorim before his arrival at United, which includes looking at a story that is never mentioned...

He was REJECTED by West Ham before we took a gamble on him, with the Hammers' hierarchy not convinced by him because of his lack of experience outside of Portugal (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/revealed-the-real-reason-west-ham-rejected-ruben-amorim)

We're currently 15th in the league, after Amorim has collected just 14 points from his 14 league games in charge, with 4 wins, 2 draws, and 8 losses.

Let's put it another way... now that Amorim has had some experience in the Premier League (albeit only a few months), would West Ham consider hiring him as their manager?
The answer is NO, he wouldn't even get an interview.

With the greatest of respect to West Ham, if they could see that Amorim wasn't the right fit for the Premier League, then why couldn't we see it?

Amorim's only saving grace this season, will be if he delivers a trophy, otherwise it will be an absolute disastrous start (in footballing terms), to his tenure at Manchester United.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It is which players, some only came in this season, is it the ones that came in last season, the ones who were here under Ole?
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Let’s face it, bar Amad and one or two others, they’ve all been terrible by the standards we expect. I could honestly go through each signing we made recently and could give you reasons why there were huge red flags with each one. And they’ve all proven to be true.
 
Bojan11 said:
Most the players will be here next season. We are not going to do a Forest or Chelsea like turn over. There isn’t any money for that. So maybe get a manager that’s going to get the best out of them?
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What about if we hire the guy this squad was custom built for, Erik Ten Hag? Surely that’ll get the most of of them. Based on getting the most out of this squad he has to be top of our list.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We dont have the money to buy better players and even if we did isnt it a massive gamble to give that money to a manager who has shown he hasnt got a clue how to get a tune out of the players he has already got?
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The largest PSR loss period drops out this summer, so we can if they want. If we buy players who are genuinely good, that whole manager thing doesn't become a huge problem.

Just buy tall, athletic, quick and technically proficient players. At worst they become squad players for another manager.
 
Which or our players do you think would get into the Everton, Wolves and Fulham squad each week ?

I would say Bruno, Amad and maybe Ugarte, and definitely Garnacho.
 
We can’t afford to sack him and then appoint someone like Iraola, who would also have same problem of having a squad completely unsuited to what he wants to do.

Amorim has to prove himself next season, the recruitment team have to prove themselves over the summer and then see what happens next season.

I like Amorim but he has to do better and needs to find something to cling on to and build on before the end of the season. He feels kind of doomed though, we’ve hit the reset button from our weakest position and I don’t know if it’s possible he can turn this round, I suspect he’s not here in 12 months time.
 
Stig said:
Which or our players do you think would get into the Everton, Wolves and Fulham squad each week ?

I would say Bruno, Amad and maybe Ugarte, and definitely Garnacho.
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Would be more than that, most would get in but that’s cause they are all roughly the same level currently.

Mainoo, Dalot (as a RB), most of rhe CB’s would be great playing for a low block counter attack team. I’d even bet Hojlund would look better playing for a drilled ‘poorer’ team than us.
 
Gavinb33 said:
If we lose to Ipswich he'll be sacked in my opinion
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Yep me too, he would have lost 10 from 16 PL matches, that’s simply untenable 63% loss rate as a Man United Coach, he’s gone and the players will all be straight on to Wilcox and SJR to say they can’t stand him and his ridiculous tactics in the EPL!
 
People calling on him to be sacked, give your head a wobble. You've absolutely lost the plot.

More wins against top 4 clubs in half a season, than Ten Hag did in his entire tenure. But losing 1-0 away at Spurs with a bench entirely made up of youth players is the final straw for some people?

Maybe we could you know, at least give him one transfer window?
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
Would be more than that, most would get in but that’s cause they are all roughly the same level currently.

Mainoo, Dalot (as a RB), most of rhe CB’s would be great playing for a low block counter attack team. I’d even bet Hojlund would look better playing for a drilled ‘poorer’ team than us.
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Dalot is not getting into any of those teams
 
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