Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

This is neither cult of manager or someone who was vocal ETH out…It is rational and common sense.

The situation current is what it is. We knew appointing Ruben that he would stick to his plan. We knew that Amorim felt it would be very difficult to implement mid season and with players we had at club.

To compound this we had a horrendous transfer window where we ended up in much weaker position than we were before. Since summer we have let following player leave from midfield or attack…

McT
Greenwood
Sancho
Rashford
Martial
Pellistri
DVB
Antony

And replace with Zirkzee. Let that sink in.

Then we have also free 11 first team salaries from finances. Yet somehow according to Rat we have no money and must make more people redundant.

Anyone racing to think this manager is the problem has a problem with head up arse.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cheimoon
Woziak said:
No it wouldn’t he’ll get more out of international players that currently play for United in a high energy 433 system.

An Iraola man united team in the summer would look like this after maybe 3/4 signings.

*J Trafford(GK)

Mazroui (RB)
MDL (RCB)
L Yoro(LCB)
P Dorgu(LB)

M Ugarte (DM)
Bruno (AM)
*Ederson (CM)

Amad (RW)
*L Delap(CF)
*A Semenyo(LW)

I bet that team finishes top 6/7 effortless with Iraola as coach, he would also work well with our youth and either sort Rashford and Garnaucho out or sell them. Zirkzee would also have a chance of improving under Iraola.
Click to expand...
Oh how I love Iraola! I'll give anything to get him. He seems perfectly suited to a United team, he'll raise the players' standard and the youth would love him. By the way, I wanted Pochettino too instead of Ten Hag but it didn't happen. Very importantly, Iraola and the Poch have EPL experience, this is very very key these days. It's a big gamble bringing in coaches from overseas without first having hands on EPL/championship experience. United forever.
 
Bojan11 said:
He would be packing his bags at any other club in Europe, I am not even talking about the big boys. Roma and Sporting both made management changes during the season and quickly realised it wasn’t the right move.

This nonsense that Amorim needs 11 new players, is just the type that was spewed for ETH. We are not signing 11 new players, so he needs to get the best out of the current lot and he currently is not.
Click to expand...
Just to add to your point and show what a shambles of a club this has turned into.....
Also highlights how well Liverpool and Man City have done with a considerably lower net spend!

Transfer Spending since 2019:
Spent Received Net Spend
Manchester United £1.09bn £285m £810m
Chelsea £1.60bn £863m £739m
Tottenham £884m £308m £576m
Arsenal £868m £305m £563m
Newcastle £562m £153m £409m
West Ham £668m £308m £360m
Aston Villa £768m £434m £334m
Nottingham Forest £410m £145m £265m
Manchester City £986m £728m £258m
Liverpool £540m £328m £212m
 
Might have been a perfect storm in Portugal division, with Porto going through a rebuilt and Benfica utterly shit for their standards.

Amorim struggled for goals big time, until his chieff (now at Cheaty) bought him Gyokeres. Man against the boys. Just watch his goals - majority is simple long ball over the top for Gyokeres to bully and/or outpace poor centre back to go for easy 1v1. So nothing really sofisticated in therms of team play.


Now you see the patern of Rubens limited forward play with no top class striker up front to bail his sterile attack out. For about 5th time I tell you the same, Ruben please, play 3-5-2.
 
You can’t sack him he hasn’t been in the job long & he came in mid-season where it was always going to be difficult
 
Woziak said:
No it wouldn’t he’ll get more out of international players that currently play for United in a high energy 433 system.

An Iraola man united team in the summer would look like this after maybe 3/4 signings.

*J Trafford(GK)

Mazroui (RB)
MDL (RCB)
L Yoro(LCB)
P Dorgu(LB)

M Ugarte (DM)
Bruno (AM)
*Ederson (CM)

Amad (RW)
*L Delap(CF)
*A Semenyo(LW)

I bet that team finishes top 6/7 effortless with Iraola as coach, he would also work well with our youth and either sort Rashford and Garnaucho out or sell them. Zirkzee would also have a chance of improving under Iraola.
Click to expand...

So what? Besides that all being completely hypothetical, you’re missing the point.

I didn’t say anything about how he might do if he came. I simply pointed that there are valid reasons why he might not want to come. Our club currently seems to be in dire straights on numerous fronts, and that might not be appealing to him.
 
Another manager who can’t spot a sub or does feck all when we are all over the place. Simply pathetic showing by Amorim. He will get us relegated in this form.
 
Xaviboy said:
I'd say when Everton and Ipswich beat us.
That's not acceptable.

Think them 2 will give us a harder game then spurs one today. More physical games.
Click to expand...
Everton will beat us . There on a flyer at the minute. We’ll beat Ipswich though
 
Sack watch :lol: .He isn't going anywhere.I've read some fans calling him cowardly, some fecking fans they are.
 
I can't believe Everton are above us in the table.

This formation is shite. The players are shite but the formation compounds it.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Liverpool were never this bad. Their lowest point was Hodgson and Andy Carroll, and that's still nowhere near as low as where we're at now
Click to expand...
Hodgson was gone after 31 games in all competitions
Liverpool were 12th when he was fired after 20 league games, 4 points above the relegation zone
 
NickSantigo said:
I'm inclined to agree with all of your signing suggestions except I think we badly need to replace our goalkeeper. I'd sign Quenda and two CMs like you suggest.
While I agree a CB needs to be signed I feel we need a goalkeeper before another CB.
Just wondering do you think we should persist with Onana?
Click to expand...
I don't disagree with what you're saying and Onana can be upgraded and should be upgraded eventually. But I just feel certain positions like deeper midfield need to be prioritised first to actually get the system of play going so we get some fluidity in the team.

I think signing a GK before a CB is a good shout. I wanted us to sign Anatoliy Trubin from Dynamo Kiev a couple of seasons ago and he's since joined Benfica. But I think it might be best to try and find a more experienced GK for the short term which may help us in the long-term. Someone who has experience of commanding his area and making basic plays from the back.
 
UnitedSofa said:
You can’t sack him he hasn’t been in the job long & he came in mid-season where it was always going to be difficult
Click to expand...
Sporting have already sacked his replacement. Roma sacked Juric, who they hired to replace De Rossi. So why can these clubs do it and we can’t? Sometimes it’s good to admit you have made a mistake sooner rather than later. That has been our problem for the last decade.
 
TheGame said:
I bet if Lamine Yamal was be in our squad and he would be deemed not ready and left in the reserves. Players were tiring, one or two changes could have let younger players have a go.
Click to expand...
He’d have to play at wingback in this stupid fecking system and would be miles behind Dalot in the pecking order.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
It may seem like deja vu, but it is extremely important that Amorim is judged fairly and not singularly held responsible for the mess we're in right now. Context is important - ignoring it is what has led us to this mess in the first place.

Injuries, formation, motivation, tactics - they are all issues, but I think they're all secondary. More than 50% of our issues are because we don't have goalscorers in this squad, simple as that.

#TEAMPWDLGFGAGDPTS

1		Liverpool25186160243660

2		Man City25135752351744

3		Arsenal25158251222953

4		Tottenham25931349371230

5		Chelsea25127647341343

6		Bournemouth25127644291543

7		Brentford25104114342134

8		Newcastle2512584233941

9		Nottm Forest25145641291247

10		Fulham2510963833539

11		Brighton2591063838037

12		Aston Villa2510873538-338

13		Wolves2554163554-1919

14		Crystal Palace257992932-330

15		West Ham2576122947-1827

16		Man Utd2585122835-729

17		Everton257992731-430

18		Leicester2545162555-3017

19		Ipswich2538142350-2717

20		Southampton2523201957-389

The league table, sorted by Goals scored - we're 16th in that list. 16th, and deservedly so - Amad was topping both the PL goals (6) and top PL assists (6) tables for United - and he's out for the season now. What can you expect Amorim to do when Hojlund, Zirkzee, and Garnacho collectively have 8G/2A to show for almost 3600 minutes of PL football? That's the front line collectively scoring a single goal once every 5 games.

Gyokeres has 22 league goals this season alone, scoring every 78 minutes this season. Last season, he had 29G/10A in the league. Sure, apples and oranges - no idea if he could have done that in the PL. Sure, we won't have a Gyokeres in this squad, but you have to feel for the man, and the sheer extent to which he has been crippled by our senior management.

We simply don't know how good Amorim is - he could be good, or he could be poor. There's no way of knowing, yet - he needs to have at least 2-3 players in (including an established goalscorer) before he's judged. All we know is that he's been set up to fail terribly by decisions made before his arrival, and the financial state of this club. We can only hope that we get to (a) raise money by letting Sancho, Rashford, Antony all go this summer, along with a few players on a free, and (b) we invest that money much better than we have in the last decade. Otherwise, Amorim will be sacked before we find out if he's actually any good.
Click to expand...
A goal scorer would definitely help in terms of taking the immediate sting out and potentially decrease the pressure that mounts with bad results. But it is also a bit short sighted. I mean, it is obvious that we aren't playing well. Not at all. Even if we had 10 goals more and a few more wins, that wouldn't change so this is where we have to invest. How many goal scorers are out there that can keep their output stable when they have to feed off scraps? Not a lot. Other teams also do just fine without that goalscorer figure because they are able to create multiple high quality chances per game where you dont need the worlds best strikers to get results from most of the time.
Leftback99 said:
Which is all the more frustrating that it was entirely predictable by just bringing in Zirkzee in the summer, while selling McTominay who was one of our only goal threats.
Click to expand...
He was a goal thread by completely surrendering any form of competitive shape. Whenever we brought on McTominay, the game became frantic because we added a ram at the cost of another player in midfield. An area of the pitch where are, at this point almost traditionally, comically bad at. Looking back at McTominay is just half a level away from "lets play with 5 strikers then because it will up the goal threat"
Big Ben Foster said:
There are still people here who somehow think we'll spend ~£200m net in the summer.
Click to expand...
Not only that. I think, there are just as much people out there that think that the only way of improving a side is by adding new pieces to it. After seeing the rise of Brighton and Brentford people have to acknowledge, that organisation on the pitch is just as important as having good individuals on the pitch. It boggles the mind how many fans still seem to think that you just roll the dice and at some point, you stumble upon a combination of points, that will win you stuff.
Adnan said:
Just two midfielders who can operate deeper will make a big difference imo. Players who can eat up ground out of possession whilst also having the ability to progress the ball vertically will make us a lot stronger and raise the level of the collective.

Unless they sort that out in midfield then it doesn't really matter who the coach is, it will not allow the club to progress towards the heights it should be aspiring to be at.
Click to expand...
Well said. Completely agree. While adding a goal scorer absolutely makes sense to alleviate the immediate pressure, it must not come at the cost of improving the ability of the team in key areas of the game in general. Focussing on a goal scorer right now just because the pain is too big to take will only lead to having less momentum to go and improve the team in terms of gaining and maintaining control of the pitch and the ball. Our midfield isn't up to standards since like 6 or 7 years and the last decent combination wasn't even that impressive in Herrera, Pogba and Matic. Players in their physical peaks and with a good combination of skills with and without the ball. Since then we tried to get something going with makeshift CMs like Eriksen and Bruno and players too young or too old to challenge at the upper half of the table.
 
2 man midfield said:
If we went down I think he would get the sack, which would sort of defeat the purpose of getting him in mid season. We should’ve just gone with an interim then Ruben in the summer if we weren’t prepared to sit through them learning this system.

Not that I agree with it, I think he’s been far too stubborn for his own good. Many of these players won’t even be here to play it if Ruben stays for a couple of years.
Click to expand...
He isn't staying a couple of years , timing wise a terrible appointment
 
pocco said:
I like how you conveniently throw Dorgu in there as a defender, when he’s more attack oriented and played on the wings in Serie A.
Click to expand...

So far he doesn't play like one here. Early days and this isn't about him, but it does feel like we play with 5 defenders.
 
UnitedSofa said:
You can’t sack him he hasn’t been in the job long & he came in mid-season where it was always going to be difficult
Click to expand...
Whilst I totally agree with you, if we lose the next two PL games he’s gone because he’s then in a relegation battle and that’s untenable!

Ipswich wining at old Trafford will get him sacked
 
Kostov said:
Another manager who can’t spot a sub or does feck all when we are all over the place. Simply pathetic showing by Amorim. He will get us relegated in this form.
Click to expand...
I don’t know, if Garnacho could hit a barn door today, Onana didn’t have weak wrists and our midfield two didn’t go wandering all over the place we would have got something from it.
 
Bojan11 said:
Sporting have already sacked his replacement. Roma sacked Juric, who they hired to replace De Rossi. So why can these clubs do it and we can’t? Sometimes it’s good to admit you have made a mistake sooner rather than later. That has been our problem for the last decade.
Click to expand...
Isn't it obvious?

Sporting's team is complete, they were top under Amorim, they need a manager to come in and continue that. We on the other hand, we bring in another manager under this current team, what odds he's going to turn it around? Or will we just sack him few months again. It's funny how many on here only focussing on the manager only, not at the current mess the team and players actually is/are.
 
pocco said:
I like how you conveniently throw Dorgu in there as a defender, when he’s more attack oriented and played on the wings in Serie A.
Click to expand...
To be fair the poster we seemed to have 5 across the back every time we defended and I only recall Dorgu putting on cross into the box, but is the frenzied excitement of our attacking I might have missed one.
 
We can’t afford to sack him anyway.

Not that I want us to anyway, just saying. We are broke boys.
 
lilcurt said:
I'm terrified but I think he is done. I back him as I think he has been given the worst hand possible.

However, this won't get better before the summer. By then he will have lost whatever faith the club, players and many fans have in him. Once that faith is gone, he can't turn it around.
Click to expand...
Of course he can, by winning football matches or at the least show clear signs of improvement. Ignore the media bullcrap, he’s going to be given a very long rope by the board and vast majority of the fanbase. It will take something utterly disastrous for his to be sacked before Christmas next season.
 
I watched match of the day last night and Bournemouth and Fulham played with so much more speed and directness than we do. We are slow, uncoordinated and very indirect in our build ups and attacking play. Yes, I know I am comparing us toe Fulham and Bournemouth and that is itself is terrible indictment of where we are as a club and a team.

Bournemouth would blow us away with the speed and directness they had yesterday.
 
It is a weird one. I'd be happy for him to be stubborn with his playing style if I could see progress or if I could see players currently at the club working in that system in future. Sadly I can't see either and long term the personnel will have to change to see any real progress.

Today was really disappointing, we squandered a couple of chances before Tottenham scored and then second half got into the final third without having any real end product. We also got to witness a few senior players put in some woeful performances, all whilst Amorim showed a lack of willingness to try something new with a couple of the youngsters to freshen it up.

I don't want to carry on a merry-go-round of managers, but I'm seriously worried that Amorim has made a step up too soon.
 
Stig said:
I watched match of the day last night and Bournemouth and Fulham played with so much more speed and directness than we do. We are slow, uncoordinated and very indirect in our build ups and attacking play. Yes, I know I am comparing us toe Fulham and Bournemouth and that is itself is terrible indictment of where we are as a club and a team.

Bournemouth would blow us away with the speed and directness they had yesterday.
Click to expand...
Right, is that due to Amorims tactics or the squad he’s inherited?
 
Fooza said:
Isn't it obvious?

Sporting's team is complete, they were top under Amorim, they need a manager to come in and continue that. We on the other hand, we bring in another manager under this current team, what odds he's going to turn it around? Or will he just sack him few months again. It's funny how many on here only focussing on the manager only, not at the current mess the team and players actually is/are.
Click to expand...

This team is better than 8 league defeats in 11. Amorim was brought in to replace ETH, who wasn’t even performing this badly. Why sign him? If he is going to perform worse than ETH. It was never this bad under ETH as every league game we go into right now, I am expecting us to lose.

All this talk about systems, at the end of the day Amorim was brought in mid season to improve the results and not have us sitting in 15th.

Moyes has turned around Everton. Do they have a better team than us? No.
 
Stig said:
I watched match of the day last night and Bournemouth and Fulham played with so much more speed and directness than we do. We are slow, uncoordinated and very indirect in our build ups and attacking play. Yes, I know I am comparing us toe Fulham and Bournemouth and that is itself is terrible indictment of where we are as a club and a team.

Bournemouth would blow us away with the speed and directness they had yesterday.
Click to expand...
You’re right, but if you swapped the managers over would the results be any different?
 
Stig said:
I watched match of the day last night and Bournemouth and Fulham played with so much more speed and directness than we do. We are slow, uncoordinated and very indirect in our build ups and attacking play. Yes, I know I am comparing us toe Fulham and Bournemouth and that is itself is terrible indictment of where we are as a club and a team.

Bournemouth would blow us away with the speed and directness they had yesterday.
Click to expand...

And we'll get the Bounemouth manager, he comes in and few months down the line, "why isn't he getting us to play good football, sack him" . Rinse and repeat any other manager

This is what people said about Amorim when they saw how good Sporting were playing
 
You must log in or register to reply here.