We shouldn't be running these guys to the ground anymore, especially mainoo. Rotating 4 players in 2 has been done for ages, I don't understand why rotation is such a big issue at united.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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We shouldn't be running these guys to the ground anymore, especially mainoo. Rotating 4 players in 2 has been done for ages, I don't understand why rotation is such a big issue at united.
I really have faith in Amorim. Even more than I should probably have after 10 years of disappointment.
We've seen changes in organizational structure, we still need to bring in some more players to strengthen the squad but we already do have some players we should be able to rely on in the future, and we have a young, energetic manager who obviously wanted this challenge.
Hopefully this is it finally.
We've seen changes in organizational structure, we still need to bring in some more players to strengthen the squad but we already do have some players we should be able to rely on in the future, and we have a young, energetic manager who obviously wanted this challenge.
Hopefully this is it finally.
Mainoo shouldn't be starting that many games for us, he's a bit lightweight for me. Ugarte and Casemiro are very solid. They give a very good foundation for Bruno.
Who knows, maybe Mainoo works but I have a feeling Casemiro as a flexible 8/6 with Ugarte just being employed to break up play is suitable.
We can't promise anything. We're hoping he takes good care of us though. This club has been a poisoned chalice for five managers so far, but Amorim is certainly the one joining on the most upward trajectory in his career and we have a more professional setup for him to work within.
I hope whoever replaces him for you lot keeps up the great work this season before you cash in on most of your star players. Rooting for Sporting in the Portuguese league and the CL this year.
You'd think at the very least Amorim will get some kind of handover from Ruud about what he's seen in training and behind the scenes. I don't know how long he needs for that but I'm guessing Ruud will leave the club in not too long.
Jesus wept
One more hour!
Mainoo might become a 10 in Amorim system let’s wait and see but I agree he can’t play 50-60 games as a 19 year old, it’s madness.
Honestly the club should be ruthless and force the players on international duty to pull a sickie. They should be using this time to train and bond with the new manager.
Yep I get the impression Amorim well complete some kind of handover with Rudd then let him go. I know he’s bringing his own staff but not sure if that includes someone to coach the forwards. Either way, I’m not sure Rudd can provide too much value from his tenure under ETH to warrant being given a role.
Very impressive with Sporting and off the back of winning last seasons league title. Hopefully he can now hit the ground running with United.
I'd love that.
Officially Amorim time
That’s what I’m worried about. Our players don’t know what intensity means
Thanks !
To be honest, neither did ours before he arrived
Amorim's exit from Sporting stings a little bit, but at least I'll still be able to root for him and this club I also love.
Alright, I'm gonna get this in here because even though I don't post a lot on the forums, I have followed Ruben since his first Braga spell closely. I wanna share my opinion, but in short form.
I think this guy is really good at what he does. And if there's things I've enjoyed in coaches, i.e. Mourinho, one is the aura that comes across when a coach is no filters, no generic answers when talking to the the press (so, in public, to us fans). His way of talking about football and dealing with giving information to us and the press is a breath of fresh air. For those more into analysing coaches by what and how they speak, I could tell from the get go Ruben absolutely knows what he's doing.
The thing with football is, being a great coach =/= winning trophies. So I am unsure how well he'll fare, because it's a more complex equation than just replacing the coach, but I'm sure as hell a big fan, and while I'm sad for Sporting, with me being Portuguese, I'm actually excited to see how United fares with him. Hopefully well. There's nothing like joining together a coach and club I love!
I think this guy is really good at what he does. And if there's things I've enjoyed in coaches, i.e. Mourinho, one is the aura that comes across when a coach is no filters, no generic answers when talking to the the press (so, in public, to us fans). His way of talking about football and dealing with giving information to us and the press is a breath of fresh air. For those more into analysing coaches by what and how they speak, I could tell from the get go Ruben absolutely knows what he's doing.
The thing with football is, being a great coach =/= winning trophies. So I am unsure how well he'll fare, because it's a more complex equation than just replacing the coach, but I'm sure as hell a big fan, and while I'm sad for Sporting, with me being Portuguese, I'm actually excited to see how United fares with him. Hopefully well. There's nothing like joining together a coach and club I love!
If nothing else, you can always rely on Portuguese people to talk up one of their own 
We're winning the league. It's happening.
Let’s hope for the best. I’m unsure of the willingness of these primadonnas to learn but i should try to be more optimistic.
At least he's not doing like ETH with Rangnick
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited for Ipswich away in 2 weeks. Genuine optimism after a year and a half of dread. Ruud has done the best job a caretaker can do, now it's time for somebody to come in and finally coach these players. Hopefully INEOS have struck gold here.
Yes.
In more ways than one.
Amorim surprised us tremendously, pretty much since the start, in the way in which he knew exactly where Sporting were at that time, and where it should be.
I won't go long on the backstory (I can at a later time if people are interested), but basically when he joined our board was under serious pressure due to confrontations with supporters. That, added to the enormous price we paid for him (cheap, in retrospect), meant that had Amorim failed, the board would have to step down.
Sporting's identity as a one of big 3 had diluted after decades of mismanagement, incompetence and downright theft of the club's assets.
But Amorim knew that identity, and believed that Sporting should and could return to it. He also knew we were pretty far from that, we had young and inexperienced players, and they needed to grow without the stress and pressure of fighting for titles. So that 1st season the motto was "jogo a jogo". Basically, one game at a time. When Sporting started to win matches and was leading the table, journalists were constantly asking him if we were title contenders, and his answer was always "were contenders to win the next game". Not until the actual game that would mathematically gives us the title did he say that, and while it infuriated some fans and pissed the reporters that he didn't engage, his reasoning was flawless, and something he explained well. "My players are young, and while they need to learn to live with this pressure, at this point I want them focused on winning one game at a time. Because in the end that's what matters. No matter who you play against, you need to be focused on the present and the next game, not the games and titles that will come later."
A perfect example of that came again in his 2nd season, when we finally got back to the Champions League with a squad filled with rookies. Ironically, our first UCL game was against Ten Hag's Ajax, and we got handily trashed at home 1-5, with Haller scoring 4 goals. The 2nd game was better, we "only" lost 1-0 in Dortmund. But after that things improved, we beat Besiktas twice, scoring 4 goals in both games, and beat Borussia Dortmund 3-1 giving us the advantage on head-to-head goals, which allowed us to qualify for the knockout round for the 1st time in more than a decade.
There have been setbacks, but the club has streadily grown over his tenure. Hopefully what he (and others) built will remain in place and we won't go back.
And that's one of the reasons why I think he took the job, and why (if he's properly backed up by the new management) he can do the same there.
He's an amazing leader, and an amazing communicator. This might suffer a big now, since his English is good, but it's not good enough to let him communicate with the press at the same level he did in Portuguese. Hopefully he'll improve fast on that level.
I don't think there will be such a big impact in the locker room, as he's used to talking with players with different languages, and there's already players in place that can help with anything he might need, like Bruno and Ugarte.
Lastly, the replacement.
We all feel like the club has been planning this for a while, and according to them, the manager that's taking over tomorrow (today) is the same one that would take over when Ruben left in the summer.
There's only one person we can think of, João Pereira. He's been in the club for 2 years going on 3, he came at the urging of Ruben, and all things point to them having a similar mentality, a similar managing style, which will likely mean little or no changes in how the team plays.
But he is very inexperienced. He has a bit more time than Ruben had when he took over, but not by much. Hopefully everything else in place is enough so that he hits the ground running, but we're all apprehensive right now. We looked to be on track to having a dominant season, and who knows what will happen now...
We're sad and hurt he's leaving now, personally I don't see the benefit for United, except having a really long pre-season to prepare, because it's gonna take ages for his ideas, his tactics and his dynamics to be fully integrated into the squad.
United plays twice a week for pretty much all the time until the January market, so between recovery sessions and preparing for the next opponents, how many training sessions will he get to implement his ideas??
So I hope he succeeds there. Not only for his sake, but also because I want United to return to its rightful place, and also because I don't want him to be ground up like so many have in the past.
But I fear that the new management might not be aware of Amorim's potential. Their ultimatum "if you don't come now we'll move on to someone else" tells me they look at Amorim as a good manager with potential, and not THE manager. Which makes me fear that, if things are not working at a given time, they'll just move on to another one.
Anyway, I've rambled enough.
Take care of him.
I expect he's at his desk now with a massive brew in a Sports Direct mug, getting shit done.
I sent one pound to ronaldo's escrow account as a thanks to portugal for keep giving united their best men
Unless I'm reading between the tea leaves a bit too much, it sounds like he's going to tell Ruud there's no job for him.
Very blunt. fair play.
Very clear that we'll go 343 from that. Assuming we'll see this in the first few games:
Onana
Lindelof De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Casemiro Ugarte Dalot
Amad Bruno
Hojlund/Rashford
Lindelof De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Casemiro Ugarte Dalot
Amad Bruno
Hojlund/Rashford
Garnacho rotating with Amad, Mainoo with the midfield, Yoro for Lindelof when he's fit. Pretty sure it'll be dalot at LWB given he played a whole season there for Milan.
Yeah was loving the reaction to that fourth goal, just threw himself into the middle of celebrations
Talk of the Devils Pod, forget if it was Andy or Laurie, said they were hearing that Ruud will be let go.
I hope Mainoo is used as one of the advanced midfielders. I think it suits him much more than a deeper position.
I hope you are reading it right. A clean break would be the best way to go. We have Fletcher to help with any transition that Ruben would require.
Not that big of a decision at all. Mainoo should have never had this much responsibility placed on him at his age. This will allow the kid to grow without too much pressure. Case and Ugarte should start and Mainoo should be our 3rd choice midfielder. He'll get plenty of game time.
To add I could see him getting a lot of time as one of the 2 behind the striker. Been watching a few videos and saw today's game as well as the game vs City - those 2 definitely seem like they absolutely need to be good in small spaces, press resistant to pick up the ball in those tight spaces, hold it up and make something happen. Mainoo is excellent in those areas and we could have both him and Amad behind a poacher playing on the shoulder which could work quite well. Mainoo as well does hold the ball up really well which someone like Rashford of course doesn't, but it could be a way to get that quality in the front 3. Bruno would go deeper in midfield where he would have more space as he isn't particularly press resistant and doesn't move with the ball well, so profile wise it might just fit them better.
Onana
Yoro De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Ugarte Bruno Dalot
Amad Mainoo
Whoever
Garnacho maybe will have some time wide on the right in the easier games, and then hopefully Shaw/Malacia can actually feature in games which would make it easier to get natural width on the left side as well. But the 2 behind the striker it definitely seemed key that they are good in tight spaces from what I've seen. A striker that leads the line and plays on the shoulder, 2 floating playmakers who need to be good in tight spaces, a midfield duo that stays and holds down that area, and then wing backs/wide mids who get up and down all day and hold the width.Yoro De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Ugarte Bruno Dalot
Amad Mainoo
Whoever
I like Bruno, but if Amorim can get him playing deeper successfully then we should build him a statue. His game is built on taking risks with the ball that others wouldn't.
Maybe. But the problem is because of how good Mainoo has been and developed I’d say it’s hard to over look him. Was the first name on the team sheet last season.
Ye but we’ve had the last few managers that love to press but couldn’t get our players to do so.