Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Is this why he needed those training sessions? :lol:
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You just can't make this shit up. This club is beyond repair. We are well and truly fecked. The Glazers have destroyed the great man's work in less than half the time he needed to build it.

Who the feck thought it'd be a good idea to further deplete an already thin attack in the winter transfer window? We keep on making one stupid decision after another & are then surprised why nothing works


I give up. We are hopeless club with no light at the end of the tunnel. We have fecked it up worse than Liverpool did in their wilderness years.

The season was over when we kept ETH and wasted another 200m in the summer. We were carrying on false hope but that has been shattered too.
 
Then that is the clubs fault for bringing him in and not backing him. They didn't want him in the summer, then panic and bring him in midseason and don't give him the tools to succeed. If they wanted someone to work with this squad they should have done it in the summer.
That is what I thought too. The higher ups knew that Amorim is married to a certain formation. They also had all the information about finances. They knew that we can not spend a lot more without selling first. If Amorim fails then a post mortem analysis should also focus on who thought that Ruben was the best option at the time.
 
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This lad has got zero chance of succeeding, and the fact he was brought to the club by a board that knew he'd need a bunch of new players to fit his system, and aren't currently showing signs they'll go get them for him, really does make me question the ability of those running the club.
 
United are fortunate that the bottom 3 got off to a worse start than before Amorin joined. If I could find the bet, I’d wager no more than 6 league goals before end of the season. The disaster of a season has just got worse. We’d been ok with injuries but it looks like intensity of training has hit us hard this week. The fact United can’t afford to sack him is probably his only saving grace, otherwise I think he would be in genuine trouble if tomorrw is another toothless display.
 
Legit didn't understand our approach to the window. I can rationalise not making substantial moves and/or even not bringing an attacker and waiting for the summer/not panic buy. Fine

but why allow players to leave? you still need the bodies/a squad - as the possibility of injuries and suspensions are always looming

I don’t get how we managed to deplete/make the squad worse during the manager’s first transfer window when it was already crying out for help. I keep looking at the fourth wall camera like the characters in The Office, in disbelief.

I mean, we could still be in with a shout in the Europa, but we don’t even have the bodies
 
Absolutely suicidal from him to loan Antony, basically kick Rashford out without at least demanding that the club bring in someone. Better hope Chido Obi and the other academy lads can contribute.
 
Damn!!

2 starters (Mainoo & Amad) injured and another starter a doubt (Ugarte) plus losing a starter 1 week ago (Martinez).

More than 3rd of the starting lineup is gone.

He'll probably have to use Eriksen and Cas alot more now.
 
Lets be honest, Amad weighs about 115 pounds soaking wet. This was always on the cards with him.
 
Objective hasn't changed. Win 3 PL matches between now and the end of the season. The time for experimenting is over. Just keep it simple and play players in their correct positions and we should still be fine.
 
We really are in the s**t, Surely he's learnt from Newcastle game, he cant start with Casemeiro & Eriksen, though doubt it'll matter at this point
 
The Amad news is ridiculously bad luck but the other injuries sound like they're only a few weeks? Really the club can't afford to feel sorry for itself- a lot of our players aren't great it's true, but they're a lot better than what they're showing. Some of them have to step up big time.
 
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You realise that he’s high energy high intensity football will cause injuries too, that’s why he probably needs a squad of 27, breaking Amad out for the rest of the season, for the last time just look at his last 4 years either sporting and it shows you what type of squad he likes, and yes I was hoping and 100% agree with you he may hopefully promote at least 2/3 players from the Academt this year with the remaining 17/25 matches.
I have to be honest, I am not entirely sure how much of this response actually applies to what I said. I do realize the style and demands of the manager which is why I think promoting talents from the academy could be the way forward. If we need to get younger and more athletic then let's look to our youth set up. The first team playing squad right now (which means without loaned out players) is 26 including Heaven and Amass. (9 of those players are currently injured.) We could very well not buy anyone, promote two or three youth players and still have a squad next season of 27 players. With money tight and needing to sell to buy it isn't looking very promising. But a too small squad I don't think will be an issue.
 
Result of overtraining??

Our injury record under Amorim had been much better than under ETH up until now. It'll depend what the injuries are.

There were a lot of muscle injuries during ETH's time but Amad is ligaments so it may not be due to training. We've yet to hear the details of the others.
 
That is what I thought too. The higher ups knew that Amorim is married to a certain formation. They also had all the information about finances. They knew that we can not spend a lot more without selling first. If Amorim fails then a post mortem analysis should also focus on who thought that Ruben was the bedt option at the time.
What stipulations did they put forward during the summer interviews that made it either a manager turned us down or they didn't chose them. Was it that there is no money, except there was and they let ETH spend it. Did they come up with some strange formation that the managers refused to play? There was going to be too much interference from above?
 
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I have to be honest, I am not entirely sure how much of this response actually applies to what I said. I do realize the style and demands of the manager which is why I think promoting talents from the academy could be the way forward. If we need to get younger and more athletic then let's look to our youth set up. The first team playing squad right now (which means without loaned out players) is 26 including Heaven and Amass. (9 of those players are currently injured.) We could very well not buy anyone, promote two or three youth players and still have a squad next season of 27 players. With money tight and needing to sell to buy it isn't looking very promising. But a too small squad I don't think will be an issue.
If we don’t buy any elite attacking players to add to this squad and it relies on 2 or 3 youth players we will more than flirt with relegation next season!
 
Amorim won't survive the season now and it'll be complete bullshit.

He came in and they knowingly made the squad worse for him in Jan. Left him with no options and knows his best player is injured and so are a load of other of our better players.

It was entirely predictable. Not taking any PSR excuses either. Club is just a shitshow that is in no way trying to succeed or back the manager at all
 
Give him until end of the season and then review. If he can't improve the team, there is no reason to continue with him. We can't change 11 players in one window. Do not repeat the same mistakes like we did with ETH.

The manager need to earn the time as he himself acknowledge it. We can't just say that this season is a free pass because he doesn't has his players. A good manager can at the very least improve the team and implement better style of play. So far he has done nothing to justify he is the right manager that we should hedge our future on.
This is my stance on it. He's done nothing to earn my faith in him. Every other manager had by the time he'll have had. If you can't beat them then...
 
Absolutely suicidal from him to loan Antony, basically kick Rashford out without at least demanding that the club bring in someone. Better hope Chido Obi and the other academy lads can contribute.
Him?

He has probably less say than any other previous manager we have had. Is he not our first ever "head coach"?
 
I don't know, that's the whole fecking point! What I'm not going to do is state with confidence exactly what points total we will get between now and the end of the season. What's wrong with you?!
Neither do I know of course, it was a guesstimate based on Amorim's first 3 months. I thought that was obvious.
 
Amorim won't survive the season now and it'll be complete bullshit.

He came in and they knowingly made the squad worse for him in Jan. Left him with no options and knows his best player is injured and so are a load of other of our better players.

It was entirely predictable. Not taking any PSR excuses either. Club is just a shitshow that is in no way trying to succeed or back the manager at all
Then any replacement manager will be on a hiding to nothing as well. :(
 
If we don’t buy any elite attacking players to add to this squad and it relies on 2 or 3 youth players we will more than flirt with relegation next season.
I don't disagree. I certainly wasn't suggesting that we don't need to add quality all over the pitch. I was simply suggesting the size of the squad won't be an issue. We still have lots of other issues.
 
No he likes a left footed right wing back for a specialist reason when his team switches into 2422 attacking formation through the thirds, the left footed. Wing back goes to play as a narrow Right inverted striker next to the physical dominant number 9!

That is not a traditional wing back role, it’s a role that suits a specialist type of player!

Why do you think Amad has a right wing back is chasing down the southampton defenders and robbing the ball off them, why do you think his number of 9 goals and 9 assists are. So high?

It’s part of his specialist role. Tyler Dybling also suits this role as he’s left footed right 10 who could plays as the RWB specialists who operates much higher than the left wing back does in his system.

We agree the team requires good footballers but more importantly where young players from the age of 14/15 are over coached with numerous ideas, these players require an extremely high football IQ because there’s so much for them to think about in an Amorim system, this is why we are recruiting so many young players, they are more malleable and take on new ideas easier as well as still being worth a decent sell on value in The transfer Market.

We might have maybe 7 to 8 players in our squad who are ideal type Amorim players, Kobbie at the moment isn’t because he has huge stamina issues and he’s still young and learning the game as an 8 or as a creative 10.

There is much more to this than just the statement from Ruben, yesterday the EPL voted to keep PSR for one more season which has made life much more difficult for Man United.

The PSR rolling three years for next season will now be season 22/23, 23/24 and 24/25 with permitted losses of £105m after Add Back concessions.

This is good in one sense as we lose the £150m loses from 21/22 season however the other two seasons are £28m and £113m of loses plus whatever this season is. The club had a lot of add backs due to Covid concessions and SJR investment of £230m last year, redevelopment of Carrington etc, however we really do need to sell at least one maybe two academy players for big money.

I’m convinced Ruben means that Rashford and Garnaucho might have to be sold for a combined £100m or at least Rashford must be sold and probably before July 1st to add to the Mctominay and Greenwood sales which will also go into this accounting year.

This year’s accounts should see a net transfer profit which would allow them to spend maybe as much as £200-250m on new players but only on acquisitions after July 1st 2025.

The bigger concerns are cashflow and actual liquidity, what money is available within the clubs bank accounts to allow them to spend the £100-150m in the summer to buy new players. The Club can’t keep paying in instalments on all new transfers as the club still owes £350m+ in transfer debt alone.

Sir Jim has put his £230m in and isn’t putting any more in unless he gets more shares, remember the Glazers own 49.9% of the shares but still own over 70% of the voting shares.

I genuinely believe Berrada, Judge, Vivell and Wilcox have been tasked with clearing out as much of the squad as they can to raise cash in transfer sales and clear the wage bill.

I saw a ridiculous story today saying Antony will go to Bayern for £42m, never going to happen, but all part of the spin to try and sell him for £25m which is what he’s worth.

These are the players I think we will sell or will leave on a free;
A Bayinder / Sell £7m - wages £40k
V Lindelof / Free - Wages £100k
J Evan’s / Free - Wages £60k
Casemiro / £15m - Wages £350k
C Eriksen / Free - Wages £180k
Antony / £25m - Wages £200k
J Sancho / £25m - Wages £250k
M Rashford/£40m - Wages £325k
R Hojlund /£40m - Wages £90k

Plus we will sell at least 2/3 academy Players like; Harry Amass, E Wheatley
and Joe Hughill for £20/25m combined again 100% profit. I expect to see at least 3 to 4 of these players sold which is unfortunate and everything that’s wrong with the PSR system.

It’s important to note that all of these lower value transfers are normally paid upfront in cash in the summer so the club could feasibly raise £120-130m of cash which would then be used to buy players and help Ruben in his rebuild. More importantly the wage bill would be reduced by £1.6m per week or £80m per year that’s 30% of our players wage bill!
Really fantastic post.

Appreciate cool-headed posters in a sea full of delusional and emotional ones.
 
That is what I thought too. The higher ups knew that Amorim is married to a certain formation. They also had all the information about finances. They knew that we can not spend a lot more without selling first. If Amorim fails then a post mortem analysis should also focus on who thought that Ruben was the best option at the time.
Berrada was the one who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth suggested we take a measured approach and hire an external company to assist but Ratcliffe hated that and wanted decisive action. So Berrada pushed Amorim and did the major work on getting him. So if he fails then Berrada has to go too.
 
I'm honestly gutted.... Was going to get tickets for the 5th round against Fulham but the situation is so so negative I don't feel like making the trek again. If we lose any attacking players now we are absolutely in the hole.
 
Him?

He has probably less say than any other previous manager we have had. Is he not our first ever "head coach"?
I mean, when the "head coach" publicly says he'd rather play the goalkeeping coach over Rashford, he kind of forces the club's hand.

Of course, Rashford had to go for various reasons but any idea that Amorim had no choice but to let him leave because he's only a head coach and was overruled by the club should be put to bed right away.