Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Let's say we got Ancelotti instead of Amorim. Which of the players in the squad would you have said were good enough to solidly target top 4 and the title? And which players out of that list does Amorim have no use for?

I'm not sure that list is as extensive as you seem to be claiming so I'm interested how different you see it.
Good question, Ancelotti took a poorer squad with Everton to a top 10 finish but the PL right now is much stronger, Ancelotti would want more quality in his attacking 3/4 positions, he plays 4123 or 4331 and he’s a man manger so he gets much more out of the players, he might want 4/5 players to get top4/5, title challenge is ridiculous request?


Amorim needs another 6/7 players because he’s clearly not happy with the following;

Goalkeeper, Left Centre Back, WingBack, CM Registra, L10/SS, Number 9

I think that’s the bare minimum for a Ruben system to work, I doubt we will have many players starting next season bar Maguire and Bruno occasionally who are over 27/28, that’s his mandate he likes young 17-24 year old players with 2/3 experienced players 28/29, he demands high energy, high fitness athletes.

Now tell me in our current squad of 25, how many players don’t fit that criteria?
 
Good question, Ancelotti took a poorer squad with Everton to a top 10 finish but the PL right now is much stronger, Ancelotti would want more quality in his attacking 3/4 positions, he plays 4123 or 4331 and he’s a man manger so he gets much more out of the players, he might want 4/5 players to get top4/5, title challenge is ridiculous request?


Amorim needs another 6/7 players because he’s clearly not happy with the following;

Goalkeeper, Left Centre Back, WingBack, CM Registra, L10/SS, Number 9

I think that’s the bare minimum for a Ruben system to work, I doubt we will have many players starting next season bar Maguire and Bruno occasionally who are over 27/28, that’s his mandate he likes young 17-24 year old players with 2/3 experienced players 28/29, he demands high energy, high fitness athletes.

Now tell me in our current squad of 25, how many players don’t fit that criteria?
Any links to sources on him being clearly unhappy with some of those positions? I've not seen him say he's not happy with Onana.

And if Amorim likes young players 17-24 then how many of those 6 positions that he's unhappy with can be filled from the academy?
 
Good question, Ancelotti took a poorer squad with Everton to a top 10 finish but the PL right now is much stronger, Ancelotti would want more quality in his attacking 3/4 positions, he plays 4123 or 4331 and he’s a man manger so he gets much more out of the players, he might want 4/5 players to get top4/5, title challenge is ridiculous request?


Amorim needs another 6/7 players because he’s clearly not happy with the following;

Goalkeeper, Left Centre Back, WingBack, CM Registra, L10/SS, Number 9

I think that’s the bare minimum for a Ruben system to work, I doubt we will have many players starting next season bar Maguire and Bruno occasionally who are over 27/28, that’s his mandate he likes young 17-24 year old players with 2/3 experienced players 28/29, he demands high energy, high fitness athletes.

Now tell me in our current squad of 25, how many players don’t fit that criteria?

Okay not that much different to how I see it then so think your wording is perhaps just a tad overstated.

I think 10 and wing back are without a doubt Amorim specific needs, they're not positions other managers will have no use for but they're more integral to Amorim. The rest I see as more common needs because of quality gaps.

I think any manager coming is going to need a fairly significant investment in new players to get top four. We as a club have allowed a bad profile of a team to form.
 
Yes, you've written him off because we won't have the vast amounts of money to spend on the squad that you have convinced yourself he will definitely need. We all know - including Ruben - that we're in financial dire straits and will need to sell to buy, and therefore, just like any other manager, Amorim will make a success of that or not. What good is writing thousands and thousands of words outlining why you know he'll fail? Why not just give him a fair amount of time and see how he gets on? If your criticism is genuinely just of INEOS for bringing him in without enough budget to back his ideas then take that to a relevant thread.
I don't think it is time that Amorim is missing, it is quality players who can play his system. That is why we will continue to average 1 p per game this season. EL is our big chance.
 
The Amad news means the season is basically finished.

Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho as the only attacking options. Dear me.
 
I don't think it is time that Amorim is missing, it is quality players who can play his system. That is why we will continue to average 1 p per game this season. EL is our big chance.
Then that is the clubs fault for bringing him in and not backing him. They didn't want him in the summer, then panic and bring him in midseason and don't give him the tools to succeed. If they wanted someone to work with this squad they should have done it in the summer.
 
I think he's going to be forced to do a class of 92 type exercise next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Obi Kone Heaven and one or two others being proper rotation options from next year along with 1 or 2 other under 23 signing. In fact I think that's how they were sold the move here, we are focusing on youth more than ever, if you move here you will play. I don't expect us to be pulling up any trees for a few years as things stand but I'd rather see some really talented kids get a go than keep loaning has beens or signing medium talent players here for the money. I don't think the manager is going to last beyond next season either unfortunately as I like him.
 
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I think he's going to be forced to do a class of 92 type exercise next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Obi Kone Heaven and one or two others being proper rotation options from next year. In fact I think that's how they were sold the move here, we are focusing on youth more than ever, if you move here you will play. I don't expect us to be pulling up any trees for a few years as things stand but I'd rather see some really talented kids get a go than keep loaning has beens or signing medium talent players here for the money. I don't think the manager is going to last beyond next season either unfortunately as I like him.
he might have to start this season looking at the injuries!
 
The Amad news means the season is basically finished.

Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho as the only attacking options. Dear me.
I mean that’s a little dramatic. Bruno will undoubtedly be pushed forwards again, Mainoo can play there, Scranlon, Obi, Fletcher and Mather have been playing well for our youth teams- Mount might get fit for a game or two also?
Not great though clearly!
 
I mean that’s a little dramatic. Bruno will undoubtedly be pushed forwards again, Mainoo can play there, Scranlon, Obi, Fletcher and Mather have been playing well for our youth teams- Mount might get fit for a game or two also?
Not great though clearly!
Not really, we can barely score with him, never mind without. Mainoo is out for a while too. Youth players will do nothing useful in the PL, or more importantly for us the Europa league.
 
No he likes a left footed right wing back for a specialist reason when his team switches into 2422 attacking formation through the thirds, the left footed. Wing back goes to play as a narrow Right inverted striker next to the physical dominant number 9!

That is not a traditional wing back role, it’s a role that suits a specialist type of player!

Why do you think Amad has a right wing back is chasing down the southampton defenders and robbing the ball off them, why do you think his number of 9 goals and 9 assists are. So high?

It’s part of his specialist role. Tyler Dybling also suits this role as he’s left footed right 10 who could plays as the RWB specialists who operates much higher than the left wing back does in his system.

We agree the team requires good footballers but more importantly where young players from the age of 14/15 are over coached with numerous ideas, these players require an extremely high football IQ because there’s so much for them to think about in an Amorim system, this is why we are recruiting so many young players, they are more malleable and take on new ideas easier as well as still being worth a decent sell on value in The transfer Market.

We might have maybe 7 to 8 players in our squad who are ideal type Amorim players, Kobbie at the moment isn’t because he has huge stamina issues and he’s still young and learning the game as an 8 or as a creative 10.

There is much more to this than just the statement from Ruben, yesterday the EPL voted to keep PSR for one more season which has made life much more difficult for Man United.

The PSR rolling three years for next season will now be season 22/23, 23/24 and 24/25 with permitted losses of £105m after Add Back concessions.

This is good in one sense as we lose the £150m loses from 21/22 season however the other two seasons are £28m and £113m of loses plus whatever this season is. The club had a lot of add backs due to Covid concessions and SJR investment of £230m last year, redevelopment of Carrington etc, however we really do need to sell at least one maybe two academy players for big money.

I’m convinced Ruben means that Rashford and Garnaucho might have to be sold for a combined £100m or at least Rashford must be sold and probably before July 1st to add to the Mctominay and Greenwood sales which will also go into this accounting year.

This year’s accounts should see a net transfer profit which would allow them to spend maybe as much as £200-250m on new players but only on acquisitions after July 1st 2025.

The bigger concerns are cashflow and actual liquidity, what money is available within the clubs bank accounts to allow them to spend the £100-150m in the summer to buy new players. The Club can’t keep paying in instalments on all new transfers as the club still owes £350m+ in transfer debt alone.

Sir Jim has put his £230m in and isn’t putting any more in unless he gets more shares, remember the Glazers own 49.9% of the shares but still own over 70% of the voting shares.

I genuinely believe Berrada, Judge, Vivell and Wilcox have been tasked with clearing out as much of the squad as they can to raise cash in transfer sales and clear the wage bill.

I saw a ridiculous story today saying Antony will go to Bayern for £42m, never going to happen, but all part of the spin to try and sell him for £25m which is what he’s worth.

These are the players I think we will sell or will leave on a free;
A Bayinder / Sell £7m - wages £40k
V Lindelof / Free - Wages £100k
J Evan’s / Free - Wages £60k
Casemiro / £15m - Wages £350k
C Eriksen / Free - Wages £180k
Antony / £25m - Wages £200k
J Sancho / £25m - Wages £250k
M Rashford/£40m - Wages £325k
R Hojlund /£40m - Wages £90k

Plus we will sell at least 2/3 academy Players like; Harry Amass, E Wheatley
and Joe Hughill for £20/25m combined again 100% profit. I expect to see at least 3 to 4 of these players sold which is unfortunate and everything that’s wrong with the PSR system.

It’s important to note that all of these lower value transfers are normally paid upfront in cash in the summer so the club could feasibly raise £120-130m of cash which would then be used to buy players and help Ruben in his rebuild. More importantly the wage bill would be reduced by £1.6m per week or £80m per year that’s 30% of our players wage bill!

I don’t think it’s much different than last summer to be honest. McTominay’s sale was a key part of bringing in Ugarte for instance.
 
This mini injury crisis COULD help Amorim. Our academy clearly has some ballers in it - should hopefully breed some life into the first team.
 
I know they were mostly all shite anyway, not Amad, but we started this season extremely light up front and now we're down Sancho , Antony, Rashford and Amad with no attackers brought in.

This is going to be such a grim few months.
 
Any links to sources on him being clearly unhappy with some of those positions? I've not seen him say he's not happy with Onana.

And if Amorim likes young players 17-24 then how many of those 6 positions that he's unhappy with can be filled from the academy?
You realise that he’s high energy high intensity football will cause injuries too, that’s why he probably needs a squad of 27, breaking Amad out for the rest of the season, for the last time just look at his last 4 years either sporting and it shows you what type of squad he likes, and yes I was hoping and 100% agree with you he may hopefully promote at least 2/3 players from the Academt this year with the remaining 17/25 matches.
 
I know they were mostly all shite anyway, not Amad, but we started this season extremely light up front and now we're down Sancho , Antony, Rashford and Amad with no attackers brought in.

This is going to be such a grim few months.

They’re not though. Performances have been mixed but that’s true for everyone. The only games we’ve looked half decent recently have usually involved Ugarte or Mainoo playing well. They’re a huge loss.
 
Amazing planning by sending players out on loan when you’re short of attacking options and now we have injuries. It’s really difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel here.
 
I don't think it is time that Amorim is missing, it is quality players who can play his system. That is why we will continue to average 1 p per game this season. EL is our big chance.
Should have stopped at quality players. The system is irrelevant.

Theres no chance of Europa with what we're working with now with the injuries.