They never had any intention to, they brought him in early so they didn't have to waste time and money on an interim and if he fails here it's because they've not supported him in at all. He's got a fullback, which might help, but we just lot a forward, a winger and a CB (injury) in the space of a month. I don't think there's a manager in world football who could get anything out of this current situation, give or take a few points here and there.Ineos are barely supporting him this transfer window.
Ineos are barely supporting him this transfer window.
Even if we finish where we are or lower and the style stays the same?I agree that ETH left a terrible squad and it makes sense to give him a transfer window and a pre-season before really judging him. Let's hope INEOS have a proper plan and stick to it whatever that plan is.
Which goes to show you they didn't really do their diligenceThey were never going to. It was always a case where he'll have to work with what he's got, and he's not doing a great job at that unfortunately.
Indeed. I reckon 1 or 2 players are already basically signed from Sporting. That hardly did us well previously with Ajax.I think we will stick with him another season regardless because it will be very expensive to sack him and his team a few months into their contract.
Right or wrong, time will tell. Fingers crossed!
They were never going to. It was always a case where he'll have to work with what he's got, and he's not doing a great job at that unfortunately.
For me, the jury is still out on Amorim. He has 2 more months to prove himself.He is literally the head coach and has been for a decent run of games, you cannot just absolve him of any responsibility.
People always swing so far to extremes on here. I feel one camp simply like how he comes across and can't accept he might not be that good and the other is so used to being crap, they have just written him off already.
His car crash at Chelsea yielded more points than Amorim will get over the same timespanAre we talking about the same Potter who was out of a job for nearly two years after his car crush of a tenure at Chelsea?
His car crash at Chelsea yielded more points than Amorim will get over the same timespan
Why couldn't another manager, or indeed Amorim, make this team better at scoring goals?There is no manager who could make this team any better at scoring goals.
You can't win games if you don't score goals.
You can't play this way without a very specific form of wingback.
If we were going to bring him in we should have waited till the summer and brought in his players and given him time on the pitch. Until then, you have to be willing to wait and give him a squad.
If we had good, athletic and technical players, he would and should have left. But he doesn't.
There have been multiple games where we've played well and had more of the ball, but cannot put the ball in the net. Then an individual error kills us, and it's not like we have the firepower to get back into the game.
I agree that ETH left a terrible squad and it makes sense to give him a transfer window and a pre-season before really judging him. Let's hope INEOS have a proper plan and stick to it whatever that plan is.
What exactly did they intend to do? I remember the Glazers fecked us and needed to sell. INEOS came out on top, but what was the plan? And timescale?
I was one of those who did not want them to keep him, but it wasn't really many. The vast majority of the fanbase suddently had collective amnesia over the win and demanded he stay and SJR went with it rather than stay objective. I was not surprised they went with the crowd because I was struggling to see what their plan was as they hadn't told us anything other than vague statements. There has never been a long-term plan by INEOS and this is why we're in this mess.The FA Cup win last season really throw this season away. At that time, many believe that our best in class football people was capable of making sound decision on the manager. However, many were shocked that they kept ETH even he finished 8th. Only to be sacked a few months into the season.
Just imagine, Amorim was brought in the summer and backed with players he needs. All these mess could have been easily avoided. What a bloody mess this Ineos Team
People who want him gone deserve this horrible mess of a club and whatever joker gets brought in if he’s sacked. I’m beyond exhausted by how this club is run.
Better than Amorim’s 613 system hahaBring back ETH to play his 316 system. No?
Also a CB missing for quite a while, so it is down to one end allergic to putting the ball in the net and us hoping Onana doesn't throw the ball in his own net. Maybe we should play him up front.We have no functioning striker, so until that is resolved you really can't form a judgement
Yep, it's much better to join mid-season with all those games coming thick and fast, your squad tired and picking up injuries, and no time to work on tactics and formation because the players are constantly in recovery...
Also if they get rid that will be more money off the transfer kitty, so it would either be getting someone who is that bad they are out of work, or paying a big fee for another clubs manager so even more money out of the transfer kitty. Any new manager would then be hoping to sign this player and that player and will be told to work with whatever is here.Not going to go back through the thread but there are people who actually want him gone?
That would be a crazy overreaction but at the same time it perfectly normal to have some concerns about set up and the suitability of his preferred system to his current group of players.
It is a shit situation and there was no other way this was going to go after IDEOTZ flopped on binning Ten Hag in the Summer, but at the same time he needs to show some improvements. Can't finish 15th and expect there to be no concerns.
I remember before the FA Cup win the poll was more than 80% fans wanted ETH sacked. After the FA Cup win the poll became 50:50.I was one of those who did not want them to keep him, but it wasn't really many. The vast majority of the fanbase suddently had collective amnesia over the win and demanded he stay and SJR went with it rather than stay objective. I was not surprised they went with the crowd because I was struggling to see what their plan was as they hadn't told us anything other than vague statements. There has never been a long-term plan by INEOS and this is why we're in this mess.
Maybe if he plays Amad at RWB and Dorgu comes in and helps us on the left. But regardless, you are still left with Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho as your main goalscorers.Why couldn't another manager, or indeed Amorim, make this team better at scoring goals?
Not playing 5 defenders and 2 rigid midfielders might help improve goalscoring output. Just a thought.
Said it before and will say it again, Amorim needs to be a bit more flexible in his own approach in the short term and build some form of confidence then implement the changes he wants to make to improve us long term.
While I agree ETH shouldve been sacked in the summer, I’d still rather have an FA cup win than live on some fantasy. There has been absolutely no indication whatsoever that the team will turn into a proper side with a few players Amorim handpicks. He’s getting outclassed and -tacticted by almost every PL manager he’s faced. That probably wont change if we sign a right wing back and a 20goal striker.The FA Cup win last season really throw this season away. At that time, many believe that our best in class football people was capable of making sound decision on the manager. However, many were shocked that they kept ETH even he finished 8th. Only to be sacked a few months into the season.
Just imagine, Amorim was brought in the summer and backed with players he needs. All these mess could have been easily avoided. What a bloody mess this Ineos Team
Yup, this place was insufferable the day it was announced ETH would be staying on. Plenty of gloating and people attacking the "fake" and "plastic" fans who wanted him sacked despite the FA Cup win.I was one of those who did not want them to keep him, but it wasn't really many. The vast majority of the fanbase suddently had collective amnesia over the win and demanded he stay and SJR went with it rather than stay objective. I was not surprised they went with the crowd because I was struggling to see what their plan was as they hadn't told us anything other than vague statements. There has never been a long-term plan by INEOS and this is why we're in this mess.
Why couldn't another manager, or indeed Amorim, make this team better at scoring goals?
Not playing 5 defenders and 2 rigid midfielders might help improve goalscoring output. Just a thought.
Said it before and will say it again, Amorim needs to be a bit more flexible in his own approach in the short term and build some form of confidence then implement the changes he wants to make to improve us long term.
The money literally isn’t there. That’s why we were considering selling Garnacho, just to raise some funds so we could buy a player or two.Ineos has completely fecked him over.
I can’t stand the 343 formation. It’s far too defensive for me.
But if you bring a manager in that plays a completely different system you have to back him at the first opportunity.
As things stand two attacking players have gone on loan and it doesn’t look like even one attacker is coming in this January transfer window.
Whatever happens between now and and the end of the season is on Ineos and the Glazers.
They’ve fecked the manager and they have fecked the fans.
Not sure what formation is going to turn Hojlund and Zirkzee into Ronaldo. We might create more chances, but the way they are it will just mean they will likely miss more chances. Zirkzee is not a striker, so why people expect him to be and Hojlund either falls over or is in the wrong place.Maybe if he plays Amad at RWB and Dorgu comes in and helps us on the left. But regardless, you are still left with Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho as your main goalscorers.
It simply isn't enough firepower.
I remember before the FA Cup win the poll was more than 80% fans wanted ETH sacked. After the FA Cup win the poll became 50:50.
I was one firmly on the ETH sack before and after the FA Cup. I thought our new best in class people was capable of making "professional" decision based on football wisdom rather than sway by the FA Cup win. The rest is history.
Just imagine, Amorim was brought in the summer and backed with players he needs.
Has to to feel hung out. I'll be surprised if he survives the season.
